Oil Filter Diameters & The Need For A Wrench

[07exlowner]

Will a genuine Honda filter have the same diameter as another brand filter made for the CR-V? If so, what is the standard diameter for the 07' oil filter?

I ask because I'm debating whether I should buy a filter wrench adapter (I know H and A has one that fits the Honda filters) but don't want to get one that fits only one brand of filter since I may use different brands in the future.

Speaking of wrenches, is it really necessary to use one when tightening the filter or can I simply use my hands?

I heard people simply tighten them by hand and understand it's not a good idea to overtighten them which is why I think maybe I don't even need a wrench, but I also heard there have been problems in the past with fires related to loose oil filters.

Since I've never changed the oil before I want to make sure I do it correctly.

Thanks!

[2RedV's]

Will a genuine Honda filter have the same diameter as another brand filter made for the CR-V? If so, what is the standard diameter for the 07' oil filter?

I ask because I'm debating whether I should buy a filter wrench adapter (I know H and A has one that fits the Honda filters) but don't want to get one that fits only one brand of filter since I may use different brands in the future.

Speaking of wrenches, is it really necessary to use one when tightening the filter or can I simply use my hands?

I heard people simply tighten them by hand and understand it's not a good idea to overtighten them which is why I think maybe I don't even need a wrench, but I also heard there have been problems in the past with fires related to loose oil filters.

Since I've never changed the oil before I want to make sure I do it correctly.

Thanks!A brand X filter designed for the 07 V should be the same diameter as the official Honda filter. One need ONLY to tighten by hand.

The past issues with fires were caused by oil change places not removing the pieces of old gasket that may have been left on the engine block. This is oil change procedure 101. CLEAN the oil filter mounting surface of all old gasket and oil. Honda even changed their gasket material to help ensure that the gasket would come off, with the filter, in one piece after this.

[cderalow]

it's only supposed to be torqued to a bit under 9 lb-ft (I think it's 8.7 or 8.8)... which is about as tight as most people can get it using their clean, dry hands to tighten it. note, if you hands are oily or wet, you will most likely not be able to get it to this value.

Let me tell you, there's nothing more obnoxious than an oil filter that was over tightened. It's no fun to have to use a wrench, or worse, poke a screw driver through one to get it off. As long as you use common sense, and try to get it on there as hard as you can with your hands, it shouldn't get over tightened. just make sure it doesn't spin or loosen with no effort, make sure it takes some muscle to get it to spin to come off.

you'll need 4L to do a change with no filter, 4.2 for a change when replacing the filter.

Honda says OEM fluid only, which can be found online for like $2.70 a quart, though you can use any API certified oil.

I hold by the Honda fluids for everything except oil & windshield washer for my older Civic, and will likely abide by all Honda fluids except windshield washer for my wife's CR-V.

Though I will be using a Mobil1 filter, and not the Honda one, based on some past reviews and research of the Canadian made Honda filters. I've still got a few Japanese made filters for my Civic, but once those are gone, I'll be using the Mobil1 filters only.

[2RedV's]

I would add that oil and brake fluid can be any quality brand.

Has anyone checked to see if the S2000 filter from 2004+ fits the 2007+ V like the 2003 and down S2000 filter fits the 1997-2006 V? I use the older style S2000 filters on my 2 V's. Larger capacity and better filtration and Honda has said they are compatible via an older Honda Service News article.

[07exlowner]

it's only supposed to be torqued to a bit under 9 lb-ft (I think it's 8.7 or 8.8)... which is about as tight as most people can get it using their clean, dry hands to tighten it. note, if you hands are oily or wet, you will most likely not be able to get it to this value.

Let me tell you, there's nothing more obnoxious than an oil filter that was over tightened. It's no fun to have to use a wrench, or worse, poke a screw driver through one to get it off. As long as you use common sense, and try to get it on there as hard as you can with your hands, it shouldn't get over tightened. just make sure it doesn't spin or loosen with no effort, make sure it takes some muscle to get it to spin to come off.

I know exactly what you mean. My father was the type to tighten everything as much as possible. It was always overkill with him and it wound up causing a lot of stripped threads and headaches. Probably the anger in him but that's another issue.:p

I just bought some Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W20 at Walmart (and boy was it a hard find as it was sold out everywhere) and plan on using a Mobil 1 filter also.

[07exlowner]

Has anyone checked to see if the S2000 filter from 2004+ fits the 2007+ V like the 2003 and down S2000 filter fits the 1997-2006 V? I use the older style S2000 filters on my 2 V's. Larger capacity and better filtration and Honda has said they are compatible via an older Honda Service News article.

Just curious, have there been any studies done that show that a larger filter is better for the engine?

Also, do you know where I can find the Honda Service News? Is this available to the public or only technicians?

[cderalow]

I would add that oil and brake fluid can be any quality brand.

Has anyone checked to see if the S2000 filter from 2004+ fits the 2007+ V like the 2003 and down S2000 filter fits the 1997-2006 V? I use the older style S2000 filters on my 2 V's. Larger capacity and better filtration and Honda has said they are compatible via an older Honda Service News article.


Haven't tried, though I wasn't aware there was a difference in the 2000-2003 filters to the 2004+ filters.


I know the old S2000 fit my Civic, and the CR-V takes the same filters as that.

So they should fit

[Black Pearl]

The standard 15400-PLM-A02 filter is 65 mm with 14 flutes. You can pick up an oil filter wrench at Advance Autoparts for I believe 4.99 or 5.99. The model is AmPro T70413.

I found the filter to be on from the factory very tight. It took some doing even with the wrench to get it loose.

On the side of the Honda filters it states to tighten the filter to 10 to 14 NM which is about 7.4 to 10.3 foot pounds, or "3/4 turn with tool". On all my filters on past cars, I only hand tightened them with no problems. The Honda filter has a round o-ring gasket verses the square cross sections of the past filters. I snugged it slightly with the wrench guessing on the light side of 10 to 14 nm. I'll let you know how it comes off next time.

Regarding the S2000 filter, see my post #19 at:

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8707#post8707

The S2000 is a 80 mm filter and I am not sure that it will fit inside the shroud on the 07 oil filter housing. I included pictures of the oil filter shroud at the above post.

Supposedly the filter will fit. I vaguely recall some notification from Honda stating that the S2000 filter will work on the 07 V. If you check out the photos in the above thread, it looks tight to me.

[07exlowner]

The S2000 is a 80 mm filter and I am not sure that it will fit inside the shroud on the 07 oil filter housing. I included pictures of the oil filter shroud at the above post.

Supposedly the filter will fit. I vaguely recall some notification from Honda stating that the S2000 filter will work on the 07 V. If you check out the photos in the above thread, it looks tight to me.

I agree. I just picked up a Mobil 1 EP filter for the CR-V (model M1-110) and compared it to the one for the S2000 (M1-104). While the threads and gaskets line up, from taking a look at your great pictures it seems like a very close call.

If anyone tries an S2000 filter on their 07' or 08' CR-V, please let us know.

Thanks!

[HandA]

Just curious, have there been any studies done that show that a larger filter is better for the engine?

Also, do you know where I can find the Honda Service News? Is this available to the public or only technicians?

here's the section of the April 2004 service news on it:
http://handa-accessories.com/pcx.gif

[Black Pearl]

[QUOTE=HandA;10611]here's the section of the April 2004 service news on it:
http://handa-accessories.com/pcx.gif[/QUOTE


My concern with the S2000 filter on the 07 / 08 Vs is whether the 80 mm filter will fit on the oil filter housing. There is a shroud around the housing that may block the larger diameter filter. The photos below show the shroud with the standard Honda 15400-PLM-A02 filter installed. This filter is 65 mm filter. It looks very tight to me.

[cderalow]

[QUOTE=HandA;10611]here's the section of the April 2004 service news on it:
http://handa-accessories.com/pcx.gif[/QUOTE


My concern with the S2000 filter on the 07 / 08 Vs is whether the 80 mm filter will fit on the oil filter housing. There is a shroud around the housing that may block the larger diameter filter. The photos below show the shroud with the standard Honda 15400-PLM-A02 filter installed. This filter is 65 mm filter. It looks very tight to me.


if that gap is 8mm or bigger... there's plenty of space.... think... 80mm diameter is 7.5mm wider in either direction...

next time i order filters, I'll take a look...

[Black Pearl]

7.5 mm = .295 inches (5/16"= .3125). I don't know for sure, but it looks tight.

[2RedV's]

That was the APRIL, 2004 issue - way before the 2007 came out. One would have to simply buy one and try it.

[07exlowner]

That was the APRIL, 2004 issue - way before the 2007 came out. One would have to simply buy one and try it.

Okay, who's gonna cough up the cash. :p

Just kidding. I'll pick one up for my next oil change and let everyone know what happens.

[2RedV's]

If in doubt, buy a $3 cheapie filter and test fit it rather than buying the nearly $8 S2000 filter, unless you have a hook-up at the Honda parts counter. Then, maybe they will let you bring it back if it doesn't fit. ;)

[cderalow]

If in doubt, buy a $3 cheapie filter and test fit it rather than buying the nearly $8 S2000 filter, unless you have a hook-up at the Honda parts counter. Then, maybe they will let you bring it back if it doesn't fit. ;)

I do my oil changes at the same time, so instead of using it on the wife's CR-V, I could just wham it on my Civic.