My adopted bug

[Serj22]

My wife brought this to my garage collection so to speak, and I can't get her to sell it... it has "stripes" and "paint" that peels off, and is faded to almost white, and the interior is scratched junk, and everything is peeling, and the engine makes funny noises. It's remotely fun to drive, but not really. Anyway, here it is, don't laugh too hard: I put a few manly touches to it, since sometimes I am forced to drive it and it is hard to cover my face ALL THE time...

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu89/greenstripedzbra/backend2.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu89/greenstripedzbra/sideofcar.jpg

Dig those dash scratches? I do.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu89/greenstripedzbra/stereo.jpg

Gave her a bazooka tube, but now i have installed a full system in there, including tweeters, and sub and amp combo.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu89/greenstripedzbra/bazookatube.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu89/greenstripedzbra/tweater.jpg

[Radar24]

Is it a Mexican or a US made 'fake' BUG. I doubt OEM German paint would fade that bad until at least maybe 7-10 years old. Although some of the German made original Beatles were known to peel. I think it was the Light Blue or the White??? Nobody is perfect. It could be a repaint job.

Actually the stripe would not look so bad if it was one stripe the total width of both stripes. My Xtreme was factory built with a Gold stripe package. It has a main stripe about 18" wide and a thinner stripe on either side. It looks good on the hood, roof and tailgate. I would not have ordered it that way but it was part of most Xtreme packages. I would have saved several hundred dollars without it.

Make sure your insurance coverage is good and park it in a 'desirable' part of town for a few days! :D

In this case not sure if your uniform would help or not at the time you park it. It might insight a riot. :eek:

-Rg

[EternalCRV]

5% tint will help when you drive it. No one can see you.

I think it would be fun to drive if it had a manual transmission. At least you coud wind it up a little bit.

[Serj22]

Make sure your insurance coverage is good and park it in a 'desirable' part of town for a few days! :D

-Rg

Actualy, every piece of the interior says "made in Mexico" so I'm leaning towards the fact that it may be. I do know her mother originally purchased it in the year 2000 and the dealer told her it was a brand new 2000 Beetle. She then gave it to her daughter as a gift and wrote on the pink slip a gift value of $10,000. uhhhh.... no. She had already abused it to a point where it is horrible, and then said it's worth 10k. So, Ichecked Blue book, and if it was a 2000, it's worth $5,000 with the curent paint and broken engine, and 120,000 miles. (also, her mom never ever did an oil change, or bought tires other than the stock ones) :eek: I fixed that the second she moved in. :cool: It still sucks. Anyway... I was replacing the brake pads one day, and got a set of pads for the front of a 2000 VW new beetle 2.0 engine type

I took the calipers off, and... the pads didn't fit... so I went to Kragen and kept asking them for different years pads until I found the 1998 Beetle pads, that were exactly the same with one brake sensor wire, they fit perfectly, so I prowled around the rest of the car to look at features and other things indicating the exact year, and even pried apart the dashboard to look at the ECU and everything else. All said it was made in 1997, indicating it's a 1998 Beetle.

So basically, her mom was sold a 2 year old beetle that had been sitting in a lot somewhere trying to be gotten rid of, and was told it was brand new. IT has roll up windows, not electric... and plastic interior, instead of upholstered, and is the the lowest model of the year, so... grand total, with all the upgrades we've done, no cruise control... no power steering... and in it's current condition... is worth $3,110, and the most I'll probably ever be able to get out of it is $2,500. I keep telling her to let me sell it before it turns into a worthless pile of garnage, but she wants to rebuild it, which basically consists of ripping it apart, and buying a 2006 Beetle, which is the only thing that would make it decent.

I think any car that has a "vase" for flowers as a stock thing... is obviously intended for girls, and girly-girls at that, and can never be made cool.:(

[EternalCRV]

Sell it and run!

[Serj22]

I would sell it and run away... but there are certain things ones wife can hold over your head... and certain things they can take away, that aren't property. If you know what I mean.;)

[electric V]

paint it white, give it blue and red racing stripes and put the number 53 on it. Then call it ocho.:D suddenly it should be able to drive its self and "run away":D

And veedubs are still known for crappy paint jobs:(

[Serj22]

Everyone seems to think putting a "53" on it is cool. It just makes it worse, and there's no way this car can come to life... it's garbage, and it definitly doesn't have a soul. I looked in and out all over the car... no soul. I think the only cool thing would be to hack the fenders off, and the roof, and turn it into a convertible baja dune buggy.

[electric V]

I think that the only car with soul is the KIA soul its in the name. My old next door nieghbor had the original bug that he converted to a dune buggy. The engine was open in the back oversize wheels in the back and front and I think he had a BC radio in it too.

That green color is called "Chick Green" if I'm not mistaken.

[Serj22]

It's actually called "Cyber Green" Doesn't it just remind you of electronics... and cyber space? And other cool things...?

Can't do the big open engine, I'd have to get rid of the entire front end of the car...

[electric V]

I thought that the engine was still in the back of the VW bug:confused:

[Serj22]

No... not anymore. The third picture I posted is of the trunk, that's what's in the back. Instead the 2.0 4cyl is in the front, and then the dashboard is a giant pieve of crap that houses one tiny ECU and then a whole bunch of absolutely nothing, except leaves and dryed up twigs. - just took it apart, that's literally all that's in there.

It's also not air cooled anymore either. Or anything like the original Beetle, or super beetle.

[belgarion_v]

As far as I'm aware, its the same mechanicals as a VW Golf, just with a different body shell on it.

Oh yeah my Dad saw one a few weeks back and commented that someone had pinched the engine, not realising its now up in front. My sister-in-law has just got herself a bug convertible, and it looks quite nice with the top down.

Vince

[Serj22]

The VW new beetle is just a waste of materials. Nothing more...

[X-Brawn]

The VW new beetle is just a waste of materials. Nothing more...

When the brakes fail, you could use the convertible top as an emergency sail type brake if you're going downhill...

Or, any "cyber green" vehicle could meet the "pastly green" of the Waste Management garbage trucks....

[Serj22]

As an update on the adopted bug, it's in the paint shop right now being painted midnight blue metallic, I know, I have a problem. I'm addicted to painting the cars. Have it back on Thursday, I'll post pics when we get it back, just for the hell of it.

[Radar24]

Midnight blue metallic? You fond of blue?
No biggy, It is my favorite color too! But I prefer white on some vehicles.
I think that the '07+ V looks great in white!

Anyhow the bug will bug you just as much when it is Blue with the exception of the color. I don't get it?

-Rg

[Serj22]

Well, it's still got it's issues. The interior is a mess, that picture I showed you guys of the dash with all the scratches, those scratches are everywhere, the rubber is all peeling, the vinyl on the doors is pulling off. The "automatic" window cranks are peeling (they're automatic, you roll the crank and they auomatically go up:D) The door handles are peeling. The dash board has gouges in it because previous owner thought it would be cute to put a dog on the obnoxiously big dashboard. There is foliage inside the dashboard, large amounts of it. I have to dig through my tool box to find star drives and torque drives to undo any of the panels in the car to repair anything.... on and on... and the engine makes clicking noises, and it gets horrible gas mileage (about 16mpg) but at least it will look pretty. Definitly look better than the odyssey.

[Radar24]

16 mpg? I would check the knock sensor. If it does not work the computer might go in the max delay mode. I had that problem in the '97 S-10. MPG went up about 25% with a working knock sensor.

Other than the MPG it ran fine but with slightly less power before I changed the sensor. It cost about $37 for a OEM AC sensor at RockAuto parts. The bug will probably use a Robert Bosch as OEM.

-Rg

[Serj22]

Thanks Radar, I am definitly looking into that the second it comes back from getting painted.

[Radar24]

BTW the diagnostics that GM ran in the Tech II, the one all of GM dealers use, did not find fault in the sensor.

I had complained since about 250 miles back in '97 several times. The dealer just kept blaming it on the formulated gas???

A friend of ours who is a MrGoodWrench ran the test himself and found no problems. So I took his word for it. But as time went by everything I came up with kept pointing to the knock sensor as the probable cause.

More accurately the issue was that the sensor was out of calibration but appeared to work. I.E, the diagnostics probably only looked for an open circuit or voltage out of spec as a fault. It has no way of checking the calibration or actual octane of the fuel. So after wasting gas for about 30k miles I just took a gamble and had it changed. The sensor on the 4.3 L V6 is way in the back near the firewall on the back of the head or block. I forgot. All I know is that the mechanic spent over an hour trying to find it after I insisted that is where it was. This is another case of a dealer actually being cheaper and taking less time since they would know where the sensor was.

Hopefully if the bug has one it will be a lot easier to get to.

I calculated at one time how much I wasted in gas during the 30k miles or so I drove with the bad sensor and I think it was over $1500.

-Rg

[Serj22]

I calculated at one time how much I wasted in gas during the 30k miles or so I drove with the bad sensor and I think it was over $1500.

-Rg

$1500 is something I'd want back from faulty mechanics' opinions and readings. I've taken the bug to several shops and they keep coming back with the "there is nothing wrong" or "the computer doesn't have any codes coming up" deal. There is definitly something wrong if the bug only gets 16MPG and there is a clicking and knocking noise on every turn of the belt. Also, the mechanic her mother used to take the bug to made a massacre of a lot of things, he sawed through the wheel wells to get to stuff, rather than taking them off, and no- he did not make it look nice or stock either. He also didn't put back a lot of the interior pieces of the dash correctly and they wiggled loose and fell off onto my wife's feet while she was driving - very dangerous. Got the $150 back for replacing the A/C controller and the $300 for the cost of it for that. I finally convinced her with that that he was a bad mechanic. So, I'm going to take a look at it, and maybe take some stuff apart to get a better look at the 2 belts. I happen to know it becomes disasterous if/when the belt breaks. Especially on the Beetle. Everything gets destroyed.

[Radar24]

Well, it sounds from your description like the Bug has an interference engine. To get the max HP out of them, for starters Honda, Toyota, Porsche and most likely VW too On Some Models reduce the clearance between the open valves and the piston top to the extent that if the belt fails the 'Interference' engine can destroy itself in some cases. It is like engine Russian Roulette but only worse! :D Basically the volume at TDC is sometimes shaped by using domed pistons to get the desired intake and exhaust flow characteristics. In some case (possibly all) it works much better in one way or another than with a flat top piston. However I think you can have interference engines with flat top pistons too and non interference with domed pistons. Do a google on 'interference engines' if you want the real scoop as that is about all I know about it. I fortunately never had any broken belts on an interference engine.

I would check to make sure since there is no consistency. That is not all vehicles within a models will be interference if different HP outputs are available. You can for instance go to VW with the VIN and ask. If the original engine is in it they should be able to tell you if they are at all competent.

The clicking is it once or twice per engine RPM? If it is twice it is up in the cam and either a previous belt change was screwed up or there might be a problem within the head. Possibly while changing a seal something was screwed up and a belt cog is not in line??? :eek: If the frequency of the click is higher than the engine RPM it might be the water pump cog or the idler as those are usually the smallest diameters cogs on the belts I have changed.

Look at it that way and you just might be able to figure out the problem before taking it apart. That way you know what area to concentrate on. Once you do take it apart you might not be able to reproduce the click.

Good luck. I would go the belt route before messing around with the sensor as I was shooting from the hip. If it is the interference type there are two basic types of belt materials although I suppose it can apply to non interference engines too. The old style rubber compounds were good to only 60k miles in most cases. As frequent as 40K miles in a few! The newer lower maintenance belt are good to 90k, 109k and possibly even as high as 120k on some engines. That is one reason to stick with the OEM belt to make sure you get one of the newer material type of belts if it was equipped with one. If you intend on keeping it it beats having to do the belt up to twice as often.

-Rg

[Serj22]

This belt is definitly in for a change if it hasn't been changed. The car's got 123,000 on it. The clicking is about once per revolution. It's still ahrd to tell because some runs, the car will not click, and some runs it will. A very short drive will not produce the click. The car being started will not click, then upon slowing down when arriving at your destination, the click starts, and sometimes it never happens. It's a very strange problem I've never experienced before in a car.

[Radar24]

You are going to have to use your ear, when it does click at home get the timing light, chalk and some ingenuity to figure out exactly what it is doing. Once or twice per rev and I would do that prior to removing the belt. Otherwise the number of areas to check for play or improper alignment etc is much greater.

That is what I would do if it does click consistently when I arrived home one day. The misses is about the only thing that could keep me from doing so! :D

I will let you take it from there...

-Rg

[Serj22]

As for the issue with the car, I found out it has been leaking oil from a spot right under the cap, hence the burning smell, the smoke when it runs eminating off the engine - and the reason why the car made loud noises... there was basically no oil in the engine whatsoever. I repaired the crack/leak, topped the car off and it seems to be fine. House M.D. would be proud. Simple solution.

As for the paint, we got it back and it looks beautiful. I'll post pictures. It definitly looks way better than it used to, but there are still things messed up on it...:D

[Radar24]

As for the issue with the car, I found out it has been leaking oil from a spot right under the cap, hence the burning smell, the smoke when it runs eminating off the engine - and the reason why the car made loud noises... there was basically no oil in the engine whatsoever. I repaired the crack/leak, topped the car off and it seems to be fine.
??? And running with out oil is not a serious problem??? Damaging bearings etc???

-Rg

[Serj22]

Apparently it is fine. There was oil - there just wasn't as much as there should be, maybe 1 3/4 quarts. I took it to a mechanic buddy of mine, and he said there was definitly an issue, and looked into it, and said to just keep the oil level up and if I fixed the leak it should solve it.

Basically when it heated up and rose to the cap, it would shoot out onto the engine block, make it smell like burning oil, and Steam would come out of the hood, and you could hear the engine knocking.

I'm going to give it the full tear down soon to see if anything was damaged, since you're right, all sorts of things could now be ruined, broken, or otherwise.

It seems as though my wife really wants to keep this car, even through multiple engines if she has to, so I'm going to have to keep it "alive" so to speak. It's got 120,000miles so it's not really ready for a rebuild or an engine replacement, but considering the recent breakage, it may be done a little sooner, at least to find problems and fix them.

I'm still just wanting to get rid of the car and get her something nice, but if this is the car she wants, then i'm going to have to figure it out. I tried hunting down a VW Beetle forum to see any insight - but let's just say the enthusiasts of New Beetles know about as much about mechanical work as my cat knows about sub-molecular compounds. Not helpful at all. They know they work for some reason, like to clean them, and like to put 22" chrome wheels on them. So I'm at a loss for any kind of "similar issue" findings.

[electric V]

??? And running with out oil is not a serious problem??? Damaging bearings etc???

-Rg

A friend of mine took his mothers Accord V6 to an oil change place to get it detailed washed and get the oil changed. Well one day when he was going to school 30 miles from home. The car shook and all the lights in the speedo came on and off then the car shut off. He turned the car on and used the oil indicator light and it said -414% or something like that. They never changed his oil.

So the moral of the story is don't run out of oil and don't not change your oil:D

[Radar24]

So the moral of the story is don't run out of oil and don't not change your oil
... at a detailing place!!! Or was the MMI never reset?

It is not that uncommon, or more common than it should be at the less scrupulous garages and poorly run shops. At a well run outfit this kind of thing should never happen.

I continuously tell my daughters and dad to always check the oil after an oil change. To verify the level and to make sure it looks newly changed and clear as the color of watered down honey! Or like corn oil!

Not changing the oil is food for fodder for lawyers for lawsuits for clogging up the courts for the fun of it all for nothing for something as basic and as simple as not changing the oil!!

I can see them drooling in my mind. Or is that my wife...

-Rg

[Serj22]

I can see them drooling in my mind. Or is that my wife... [/FONT][/COLOR]

-Rg

haha.

These issues are why I always WATCH anything done to my car - I go to an oil change place with open garage doors, so I stand right there and watch and make sure they did what I payed for, and then I check afterwards - so far no issues with them not actually changing the oil, or just draining it all out, and saying "done!"

[Radar24]

haha.

These issues are why I always WATCH anything done to my car - I go to an oil change place with open garage doors, so I stand right there and watch and make sure they did what I payed for, and then I check afterwards - so far no issues with them not actually changing the oil, or just draining it all out, and saying "done!"
Nocando when it is below 60 F. They close the doors to save on heat!

You just have to take a tranquilizer and wait in the waiting room. :(
Or try peeking in the glass doors. I have done that.
My state inspections are in November and it gets cold!
Some times they do more harm than good but fortunately not that often.
And my FAV place closed down. :mad: They used to take good care of me.
-Rg

[Serj22]

They have little glass windows peering into the garage from the waiting room as well, but I always get freaked out when someone touches my car, especially after I watch them try for 5 minutes or more just to find the hood latch to lift the hood up after I already popped it...

[electric V]

... at a detailing place!!! Or was the MMI never reset?

Ya it is a pretty big wash n' lube place that used to or still does detailing. They never changed the Oil and never rest the MMI.

We never go there because they couldn't take the engine cover off of my dad's RX-8 to change the oil. My dad sat and watched the guy stare at the car and try to do stuff but failed at everything. The poor sap couldn't even figure out how to fill up the wiper fluid. Then he said he finished the car and my dad called the manager complained.

Safe to say we never go there anymore:D

[Serj22]

Ya it is a pretty big wash n' lube place that used to or still does detailing. They never changed the Oil and never rest the MMI.

We never go there because they couldn't take the engine cover off of my dad's RX-8 to change the oil. My dad sat and watched the guy stare at the car and try to do stuff but failed at everything. The poor sap couldn't even figure out how to fill up the wiper fluid. Then he said he finished the car and my dad called the manager complained.

Safe to say we never go there anymore:D

I watched the guy at the lube shop trying to pull my heat shield off - the one you asked how it stayed on - he was trying to remove it... and he couldn't so I'd say my will alone to make it stay still holds it pretty good.:D:D:D

Those engine covers are just so people who know nothing about cars won't freak out when they open the hood: the engine cover on the Honda displays the Oil Fill Cap and the Dipstick predominantly - things people with small automitive knowledge can understand - take the cover off.......woah. That's a lot of stuff. And of course the covers make the engine's more asthetically pleasing to the eye.:)

A lot of those covers are only held on by tension. The cover on the Beetle and my old Audi is only held on by the dipstick - pull the dipstick out, and then the cover slides off.

[Serj22]

Well, if anyone's been following my other project, which is to turn my wife's car into a decent looking vehicle, I'd say I've made some progress, fully cleaned, and waxed, and after a paint job switching the color from faded white/green that was peeling - to Midnight Blue Metallic, by Dodge. I'd say it looks a lot better, and I even updated her stereo a little, so that she doesn't have a dumb amp.sub combo and now has a real amplifier and sub woofer. IF you didn't see the horrible-ness before, check the first page of the thread.

The interior trim is still green, and since the exterior is almost black, it actually doesn't look half-bad. But it will be all painted black later.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/BEetleBack.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/BackangleBeetle.jpg

Proof that it's actually blue:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/BeetleBlue.jpg

Green alongside the Midnight blue:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/BeetleOpen.jpg

[Serj22]

The new trunk setup, took a while to find a box that would fit where I wanted it, But wound up just having to make it... and gave her a nice little 800w Pioneer amp. Old tech, but good tech. I bought it to try to run a sub, but found out that anything after 1/4 gain turns the amp off in overload, which is perfect for wifey who doesn't like that much bass.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/Trunkbeetle.jpg

Still have a couple dents to fix
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/FrontHoodBeetle.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/Newbeetleclose.jpg

It's very rare that both Alexis, and Celine are in the same picture. Celine is closest to the camera... so that means...

[fujisawa]

well it seems like you really like the car despite your embarassment so i hesitate to give this to you, but there is a forum devoted to VW problems. basically, like our forum, except they only talk about the bad stuff. it's called myVWlemon and was started by, as you might guess, a very frustrated customer. I was pointed to this forum by a friend who bought a used Passat, a very nice car, but it has turned out to be horribly unreliable. as for the explanation as to why VWs are so unreliable, which is actually fairly interesting, I'll leave that for another time since I assuredly will find myself in a VW bashing mode in the future.

http://myvwlemon.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi

anyway, you may find some help with your engine trouble in there; they're probably more informed than the "beetle lovers" websites.

and if you decide you want the Boss to let it go, you can point her there and tell her she's in charge of paying for maintenance from now on :P

[Serj22]

The beetle lover sites are the ones where you get no help whatsoever... How do I fix my engine if it does this? .....uhhhmmmm... beetles have a engine? Mine has 20" chrome rims, does that help you? you should switch the wheels to that then it should work, and then spraypaint your interior pink and black without removing anything...

Then there's a guy who put stickers all over his windows on a completely stock car... and wins a lot of 1st place trophies at Betle meets. If I saw that car... at a meet...


The only reason I want this to look better is so that when I'm forced to drive it, I don't need to wear big sunglasses, and a hat and cover my face...

[GTCB-chris]

i heard a male, wearing a trench coat, dark glasses, and a big hat can get you 25-life


http://happycarpenter.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/trenchcoat.jpg

[EternalCRV]

The bug is looking better........new paint always helps.

[Radar24]

You worried?
Is that you in the trench coat?
Well actually that prevert is more my age. :D

-Rg

[Serj22]

I don't want anyone to see me when I drive the beetle... especially if I'm using it to transport myself to proper flashing locations then using it to get away...

[Radar24]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/serj22/Newbeetleclose.jpg

It's very rare that both Alexis, and Celine are in the same picture. Celine is closest to the camera... so that means...
I like blue too. But I tend to go for a lighter color. Not so hot in the sun and does not show the salt on it as bad as on the darker blues. The V blue is about as dark as I would like it if I had a choice. Now in California where the cars are always spotless...

Is that a Maaco special on the Bug? It does not look quite as nice as the paint on the V. They should have feathered the dings with some glazing putty or filler prior to painting. It looks like it has a lot of orange peel. Yeah I know it is the old $$$ issue. But you could have filled the dings yourself. The key is to get the surface solvent clean to prevent paint problems. A little scuffing with a 3M pad and then use a squeegee to get the putty as smooth as possible. Then let it dry really good before wet sanding to a 1/4"feather edge so the edges do not show. Ah, the good old days... If it is not smooth enough without cutting thru the green to the primer, repeat the process. Better to have several thin coats than one or two thick ones. Ideally a primer surface or tie/adhesion coat would then go over the entire car before the color coat.

Or pay a dent specialist to remove the dents without damaging the paint.

Looks better than the lime green for sure!
But a lemon in any other color is still a lemon. :D

-Rg

[Serj22]

Well, it did come down to the issue of money. I did it for my wife for our 5 year anniversary of being together, and I only had $800 to spend on it, so I got what I paid for, and no, not from Macco, that place gets overspray on stuff you didn't even bring for them to paint... It looks a lot better, and I'm having a paintless dent repair specialist come and take care of all the dings for $100. (it's always good to know people)... so we'll see how it turns out, it did have a bit of orange peel on the trunk, which I am thinking of fixing. Unfortunately, they didn't fix it before the clear coat, but I didn't expect them to. Because of the price. I actually got the V done at the same shop. But I paid... well, lets say a lot more...:D If I wanted the door jams of the bug painted that would have run me an extra $200, which wasn't worth it at the time. I'm waiting to see if she'll keep it or if it breaks. I don't want it to have a pristine paint job and then blow up... wasted money. But at least now it looks nice, and she was super happy with it. It looks good too. She wanted black, but I told her she wouldn't be happy with it later and suggested a color that's black at night, and blue in bright light, and the effect is great.

[Radar24]

She wanted black, but I told her she wouldn't be happy with it later and suggested a color that's black at night, and blue in bright light, and the effect is great.
Thats true. Two colors for the price of one!
That color in pearl instead of metallic turns out to have three different colors. When clean anyway. That dark blue was the color of my All-Trac Camry.

You really have to keep it super clean to look nice. After a few days it turns Blah from just a little road dust! Right after you wash it is was really sharp. She used to get compliments all the time. For the car that is. :rolleyes:

-Rg

[Serj22]

You really have to keep it super clean to look nice. After a few days it turns Blah from just a little road dust!

-Rg

Yeah, that's something I've noticed, after a couple days it really shows all the dust for some reason.

[Radar24]

Yeah, that's something I've noticed, after a couple days it really shows all the dust for some reason.
Contrast. You need to move where the dust is blue! :)
Actually the black smog in some areas of Cal would work too.
Like the LA bowl when the wind is just wrong. Sometimes refered to as ...?

-Rg

[Serj22]

Contrast. You need to move where the dust is blue! :)

-Rg

Moving to neptune, got it.

http://en.citizendium.org/images/thumb/f/f7/Neptune_NASA-JPL.jpg/350px-Neptune_NASA-JPL.jpg