DIY Intake Heat Shield/ Copstuff

[electric V]

Nice it looks really good. Don't you havw the WR Dragon intake? They made a cover for it but it was plastic and I think that your metal one will hold up and work mutch better.

[Serj22]

I do have the WR intake, but the filters are almost exactly the same size and it fits perfect. The heat shield they had was plastic, and injen makes one that's aluminum, but they want $80 for it plus shipping and it only fits their weird-shaped cone filters... Metal is really the only thing I'd expect to work. Plastic isn't going to repel heat, and this works for both heat, and water, so Chris can utilize it as well.

[electric V]

That does look a heck of a lot better than the plastic ones that WR sells. How does the V sound with the air intake. I went on a CL forum and a guy said that it was a bit louder but mostly a vaccuum sound.

[Serj22]

There's a vacuum sound at really low RPM's there's a high pitched sucking squeal that no one can hear apparently except me when it's just beginning to open up, and there's a loud roar that comes from under the hood when you really push on it, and it sounds more like, well, a car. Honda silences too many things. I noticed the difference when I first had it, and floored it all the time in little bursts just to hear it. It's definitly not a vacuum sound - it's a good sound.

I like it.:)

And for about $10 it looks awesome - I had all the stuff lying around from other previous projects, so this time I didn't actually pay anything, except electrical tape, which I tend to have about 100 rolls of at a time,

[Radar24]

With just a little more work you can make it look just like the original box? Then put your fake carbon fiber stickers on. The hell with it just go straight to putting the stickers on the original box. :D

Really, you can buy caulking used on HVAC that dries very stycky, firm and is high temp resistant. The solvent stuff is better than the water based latex caulk. It comes on gray too so it will blend in with the aluminum. Once it hardens really good in a week or so you can take off all the tape holding it together.

Most hot glue softens at 250F (380F for the high temp glue) so will it not come all apart or loose a lot of strength in the engine compartment if you use the low-temp 250F glue? After all the radiator is as high as 220F-230F.

-Rg

[Serj22]

HVAC caulking already applied - thought that came to me when I saw it sitting in the garage closet in front of the car before I mounted it. It's supposed to withstand really high temperatures, and the tape is along the edge to clean up the edge of the fake CF, so when that stuff dries, I'll take it off maybe, shiny it up, and go VIOLA! And I know you're still angry about the stock box going back in there... but it can't. And I would never put fake CF on anything stock... that's just tacky... if fake carbon fiber belongs on anything - it's a home-made heat shield.:D

[GTCB-chris]

nice juice box

[Serj22]

Juice boxes are essential to sustain life and the only thing that fits in one's pocket to take into work.

[GTCB-chris]

haha, id go with the juice pouch, like those capri sun drinks

[Radar24]

Serj,
I was just razzing you. It does look very nice.

You are right, I do not totally agree with the idea but the final product does look nice. And shows creativity.

BTW what was that insulation product available at auto parts stores that you mentioned at one point. Is it just a fluffy mat that comes in sheets? Sort of like a blanket? And if so how thick is it?

GM in their infinite wisdom ran a wiring harness across and within a couple of inches of the exhaust manifold! Brilliant don't you think? Are you aware how freaking hot those manifolds get in the 4.3 L V6? At some point it will have to be replaced if it is bent or twisted even the slightest amount. Like when ever I remove the plugs. It probably is dry and toasted like a pretzel.

-Rg

[Serj22]

I used to have a Vortec V6 back in the day when I had a Jimmy, and I do remember the wiring harnesses all over the manifold - I belive there was another one for the alternator draped about an inch from it as well. So I know waht you're talking about.

It's actually a heat and sound deadening material, I use it to keep heat inside the engine bays of boats, and out of the cabin - works pretty well, but cummins diesels are still loud and don't care what insulation you have over them. I also used it in hte panels of my doors, and I've seen people just wrap their stock intake air boxes with the stuff to try to pry off some of the heat, so I just took some off the roll, packed it down, and adhered it to the inside.

Sort of like this, but a WAAAAAAAAY nicer quality, not just aluminum foil glued to carpet padding-
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/800/893/893-54120.jpg

And I know you like to give me a hard time. It's ok. :D:)

[GTCB-chris]

so you do commercial fishing like me eh? competition in the seas?

[Radar24]

I And I know you like to give me a hard time. It's ok. :D:)
Nothing personal. I just seized the opportunity. :D

Just as some of you do as well. Then again some get all bent out of shape; we know who we are.

Not me, it couldn't be! :rolleyes:

-Rg

[Serj22]

so you do commercial fishing like me eh? competition in the seas?

Not exactly...

I build and refurbish wooden boats like Chris Crafts and Garwoods, as well as my dad owns a 1963 Italian something-or other 46 ft live-aboard (maybe) that I've done a lot of work on, including buying it in Washington, going through the locks, driving it to Victoria, BC, then driving it down the coast over a period of 2 weeks at 10knts average to the SF Golden Gate then inside the straights to Napa... ugh... I hate the ocean. Espceially fishing on it. I tried going Albacore fishing 30 miles off the coast. My brain did not appreciate all the jumping in a 17Ft. Fiberglass boat that flips almost sideways off a wave... ugh... I also did a lot of work on diesel boats for a while and have 2 landing craft that used to be used to get from a large ship to shore. They're about 20' long and completely open, with basically a big bench all the way around and in the middle sits a huge cummins with a steering wheel basically. They're fun toys, and I use them for outings and wake cruising. Also to get to Martinez without that $4 bridge toll... I'll take the $50 in fuel over that...:D

[GTCB-chris]

try spending a few days 80 miles out, i love it but most people hate the open ocean

[Serj22]

I throw up all over the ocean, if that's you're thing. I personally freak out if I can't see the shore. It's not pretty:( But that's because I know about coast guard response and eperb effects and stuff. I always had this belief that if I crashed into land, that's ok, because then Icould walk out onto the land, instead of drowning/sinking/eaten by a shark, etc...

Actually, I'll just tell the truth - For some reason I have an epic fear of being attacked by a shark - so much so that I don't like flying over the ocean - because I don't care if the plane crashed into the ocean, I'm worried that after The crash into the ocean a shark is going to get me. I don't know why, and it's fairly irrational... I know... But I'm, allowed to be scared of one thing - I know everyone's got one. And not just a regular shark, but like the freaking "Jaws" shark...

http://www.digitalliquid.us/Fatal%20Shark%20Attack/files/page5_1.jpg

I hope that picture is fake, because I'd punch that guy after he did that just for teasing that jerk-shark.

[GTCB-chris]

im scared of spiders and hypodermic needles

[Serj22]

I don't mind spiders... it's F'in sharks... needles, yeah, I can also say I haven't had blood drawn in forever. I went in with appendicitis a few weeks ago, and they drew blood, and before he stuck the needle in my arm, I said out loud "unh uh" and didn't realize I had said it...:D:D

[electric V]

Needles are awsome I love it when i have to do a blood test. I used to have to get 3 shots twice a week (for alergies not meth) .I always worried about stupid things like if I meet a new girl what she thinks of me dumb stuff. Besides more people are killed be the box jelly fish than any shark. Spiders are cool I once thought I saw Tarantula in my back yard and I went out to catch it, but it was only a leaf I have pretty bad eyesight without glasses or contacts.

[Serj22]

If it was a scary leaf, I'd try to catch it too, and Man-o-wars are technically about 4 animals (literally) living on each other, so they are not one thing that is scary, they are many, and I try not to touch floating blue things. BAck to the intake -

- the glue is holding well, and it seems to work.

As for the Beetle - it just started making a new noise - wife called me down to the garage while I was in the middle of posting this. It's now clicking several times per rotation. It is now a disturbing noise, so I did what everyone would do first, I checked to make sure there was oil in it - Not a drop. Sh** I filled it with a quart I had lying around of 10W-30 (safest one) to see if that would stop the grinding noise, no. The engine was INCREDIBLY HOT. SMOKE WAS RISING OFF THE WHOLE THING and the heat eminated right into my face.

Because of the heat and smoke, I'm thinking cracked exhaust or something - definitly could be because of the oil... or coolant, but it appears to be okay. I'm running out of stuff that could possibly be wrong with it... Just found out as well that the belt was changed at 100,000 so it it's a 20k old belt...

[electric V]

Do the bugs usually swallow a lot of oil? does it have the 2.5 I-5 engine?
It could be a problem with the cooling system itself.
The old bugs are so much cooler there used to be a Herbie in town but I have'nt seen it in a few years.

I think I know whats wrong with it. Does the vehicles badge say VW on it:D
If so it may have been made by Volkswagen. There's your problem.:D

[Radar24]

Flying near the coast is not too bad; it is easier to know where you are from the terrain and landmarks.

I used to enjoy listening to the cockpit conversations while flying.
But now with all the bird strikes on top of being the last one to leave, forgetabout!

My nightmare is being buried alive! Even if from the other side I would feel the urge to scratch my way out. Burning alive is second fear. I guess I'll just have my wife turn me into a Popsicle next to Ted Williams. But not beheaded. Then again the cryogenic stuff is cold...:eek:

-Rg

[Serj22]

I think I know whats wrong with it. Does the vehicles badge say VW on it?


OMG! I did not notice that before!!! You're right!!! I will flip the badge over immediately and this problem should be solved, or I'll replace it with a nice "H" emblem.

It's the 2.0 Basic Model built in 1999 But all the parts resemble that of a 1998 - no 1999 Mechanical parts -(brakes, calipers, column joints, interior A/C units, air box, etc... will fit) so in all essence it's a 1998, but it was sold as being a 2000. (since it was built in '99) I didn't have much time to look at it, but the hood - as soon as i opened it the engine billowed smoke at me and the whole thing was so hot, I may have been able to cook an egg, bacon, and a cardboard box on it before it cooled down. Probably could have cooked it on the hood too. The noise now remotely sounds like a rod, or an exhaust leak - or could be a riser... but i doubt the latter, and I hope not for the first.

As to being buried alive... I guess that would be my fear - but not practical for me. I did also get that feeling after reading a short story by Stephen King in his "everything's eventual" collection called "Autopsy Room 4" where a man was going to have an autopsy performed, but he wasn't really dead - just temporarily paralyzed from a snake bite on his inner thigh that no one noticed. The whole thing was from his perspective as he got more and more frustrated as the crew sharpened knives and such and he tried to tell them but could only make a wind noise from his nose since they were playing a Rolling Stones album really loud. I would be so pissed off... Anyway, great story, not going to say how it ends. - oh, and kill Bill 2 where they buried her alive in a box... but then she punched her way out.

[Radar24]

How many hours in your day?

Let's see you have a job. On the side you work on boats (that alone can take most of your efforts), you mess around with cars, design air intake insulation boxes, spend gobs of time on the OC, have a wife you must keep happy and a little Serj to play with if I remember correctly? And you read books...

Your day has got to be twice as long as mine! :rolleyes:

-Rg

[electric V]

OMG! I did not notice that before!!! You're right!!! I will flip the badge over immediately and this problem should be solved, or I'll replace it with a nice "H" emblem.

It's the 2.0 Basic Model built in 1999 But all the parts resemble that of a 1998 - no 1999 Mechanical parts -(brakes, calipers, column joints, interior A/C units, air box, etc... will fit) so in all essence it's a 1998, but it was sold as being a 2000. (since it was built in '99)

oh, and kill Bill 2 where they buried her alive in a box... but then she punched her way out.

The H emblem should fix it.

how the heck could you find out what model bug that is. its a 98 sold in 99 as a 2000. I am sure that there must be some little differences between the years of the bug. My ex has a golf but I think it has a 1.8 not a 2.0.

Mythbusters busted that you would run out of breath before you could get out. I love that show other than F1, Indycar, and House M.D. I watch it all the time.

[Serj22]

House M.D. I watch it all the time.

Most excellent... house and law and order and mythbusters. I hated when they did the James Bond Myths and showed you that a propane tank will not blow up if you shoot it, but will light fire if you fire a tracer round at it.

[electric V]

law and Order is a cool show. noone else in my family likes it though. The james bond myths were pretty lame but i liked when they jumped the boat over the barge. I laughed for a couple of minutes.

[Serj22]

law and Order is a cool show. noone else in my family likes it though. The james bond myths were pretty lame but i liked when they jumped the boat over the barge. I laughed for a couple of minutes.

YEah, my family too, well, actually my wife will watch it with me occasionally, but I only like the Special Victims Unit and Criminal Intent. The regular law and order is boring.

As for the heat shield update. The hot glue DID NOT hold together... just as RADAR mentioned. That's 1- 0 for you Radar, but I used JB cold weld instead and scraped off the hot glue, the hot glue will hold if you have the metal high heat stuff, but that doesn't really work and you need a crazy heat gun to work it. So, that's my update.:)

[Radar24]

Who is keeping score? :)

I still think a solvent based HVAC adhesive/caulk would have been the easiest.
I forgot where I used some and it dried firm and stuck on like glue. It was a bitch to clean up. Oh yes, it was on a water heater concentric venting system. It was used to seal up the outer layer seams so no leaking occurred for max cooling of the exhaust gases in the inner pipe. The inner pipe gets quite hot. I think the caulk was good to almost 400f-500F.

The stuff I used came in a black and yellow cartridge typical of the urethane construction adhesives. It might have been urethane and why it stuck on so good. It had a lot of filler in it so had a thick consistency with minimal shrinkage. Tooled excellent with a damp finger.

-Rg

[Serj22]

That doesn't sound bad, does it come in a regular caulking tube? They're making a lot of caulking now with nozzles that push the adhesive out by itself, making my ancient expensive caulking gun.... The JB weld has always worked in the past. I think I used it once to glue a bumper onto a car. And it stayed that way.

[Radar24]

A std 14(?) oz tube. The small cartridge about a foot long. Not the big industrial size. Not really, not the big one (maybe 18" long. The kind the contractors use to for instance put down subfloor before they nail it down. To eliminate squeaking.

JB Weld might be an over kill adhesive strength wise and possibly more expensive if you need more than one package. Actually I don't recall ever using JB Weld so I'm just guessing. :o

-Rg

[Serj22]

JB weld may be overkill, and it definitly is expensive at $7.00 for about 2 small-projects-worth. I have one of those contractor caulking guns, I use for water sealing joints in boats and engine bays in them.

[Radar24]

I have never seen the HVAC caulk in the large cartridge. Only in the regular size. At HD they have the greatest variety of types and colors. I think they switch Manufacturers often.

-Rg

[Serj22]

I wouldn't think they'd sell it in the industrial size either, I'll go buy a $3 gun from Ace for smaller tubes, no biggie. I don't think there is ever a need for that much HVAC sealant, since a lot of HVAC stuff is solved with Duct tape.

[Radar24]

It just occurred to me that you might want to do a test bond. To see how thick you can make it and how long it takes to completely dry.

I know that the caulk that came with the vent kit was excellent. It was solvent based. I had trouble finding it the second time I went to buy some since every one is going to 0 VOC water based paints and caulks. This was about 4 years ago. The water based stuff I did buy was not as dense and did not dry as quickly or as firm. Still it might work anyway. You might not be able to get anything that does not have 0 VOC in California.

I will see if I still have the original tube when I get a chance to determine who made it. I am trying to get over this virus that is going around at the moment.

-Rg

[electric V]

since a lot of HVAC stuff is solved with Duct tape.

Is there anything that duct tape can't fix. I am positive that you can set a broken bone with it.

The undistrial caulk is great stuff. Even regular caulk is great. Sticks like glue and it hardens like rubber cement. It's amazingly durable. Jamie from mythbusters does own other shops other than M4 (or whatever it is called) I think there is one near Moutian House or Milpitas. A guy that works for my dad machines parts for his track M3 at one of them.

F1 race #2 is on tonight at 2:00 AM. I'm watching it:D

[Serj22]

Is there anything that duct tape can't fix. I am positive that you can set a broken bone with it.

The undistrial caulk is great stuff. Even regular caulk is great. Sticks like glue and it hardens like rubber cement. It's amazingly durable. Jamie from mythbusters does own other shops other than M4 (or whatever it is called) I think there is one near Moutian House or Milpitas. A guy that works for my dad machines parts for his track M3 at one of them.

F1 race #2 is on tonight at 2:00 AM. I'm watching it:D

What's M3? I assumed they were in San Francisco, which is only like 45 minutes away from me.

[electric V]

What's M3? I assumed they were in San Francisco, which is only like 45 minutes away from me.

the car the guy that works for my dad has a BMW M3 (actually two one is stock and one is a track car).

i thought that you could read my mind :D I really can't remember where the shop is. But you have to pay to get in but there is supposedly just about every type of machine in there. I assume the a knowing Google must have some information about it though. Or at least Wikipiedia.

[Serj22]

Oh, AN M3... I get it. One of the cars I'd really like to own is a BMW M3 GTR...:eek: I wouldn't mind getting into a shop like that.

[Mike NZ]

Serj22,
Glue????
Personally, I would have TIG-welded the joints, but only because I can, I'm not looking to sound like some sort of a jerk.
That is a pretty cool mod, thanks for sharing, mate. :cool:

[Radar24]

Serj22,
Glue????
Personally, I would have TIG-welded the joints, but only because I can, I'm not looking to sound like some sort of a jerk.
That is a pretty cool mod, thanks for sharing, mate. :cool:
You can TIG weld aluminum flashing which is maybe .015" wet or less than .4mm? WOW! We must call you RoBo hands Mike! :D And his ultra stable and ultra smooth TIG.

Actually I am kidding around from ignorance never having used TIG. I did use MIG to weld a SS boat trailer. But that was way thicker material and not aluminum at that. I would think it is practically as easy to burn a hole through the aluminum that thin with TIG as it is with MIGl You don't have to worry about the feed rate for sure but... Educate me. What exactly are the limits of TIG welding aluminum?

I don't mean to sound like a jerk either but if Serj uses any thicker aluminum it might upset the balance of his V! Like it might pull to the right. :rolleyes: It is such a finely tuned Machine!

To Infinity and Beyond! :eek:

-Rg

[Serj22]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk either but if Serj uses any thicker aluminum it might upset the balance of his V! Like it might pull to the right. :rolleyes: It is such a finely tuned Machine!

-Rg

Thicker aluminum would have been a waste of my good metals in the shop (and this is still a trial shield, til I find something I like). The big pieces are for trim now and that's a later - later project. I don't keep around any welding devices, I usually rent them, and at $150 a day, I'll use JB:D
Welder would be a useless tool in a shop full of Mohagany and Maple, and such, unless I went crazy and started trying to weld wood together and causing insustrial fires, but let's hope that doesn't happen.:D Plus, when I find a shield I like, I might as well forge it out of solid gold.

[electric V]

Welder would be a useless tool in a shop full of Mohagany and Maple, and such, unless I went crazy and started trying to weld wood together and causing insustrial fires, but let's hope that doesn't happen.:D .

You never know. At my cousins house we used to make 8ft bonfires out of the panneling of their barn.

[Serj22]

My cousin had all the cool stuff, he also still lives in a mansion in Monterey... pshhh... and then my other cousin lived in Berkley and had a figure 8 track with an IROC and a SS sitting next to eachother with keys in the ignition just to slam some fun down.:D Now... lighting barns on fire... not the best idea. Unless you're building a Ferarri with lots of oil-translucent horses...

[electric V]

They were replasing the siding on their barn. We took a good size pile that made an 8ft circle but it was only 3 1/2 ft tall. When we pulled the siding off some bats started to fly around. They were pretty cool I had never seen bats that close. They were probably 10 ft away and they would screetch every now and again.

All my extended family lives in New York so while it is 65 and raining there it is 95 degres or higher here. :D

I want one of those new Cameros though. The look pretty neat and the 3.6 V6 DI out of the Caddy CTS is plenty of power for me. The 6.2 V8 is a little overkill. Besides is it more fun to drive a fast car slow or a slow car fast

Why a figure 8 track. It is better than an oval. In the game Test Drive you get to race on a figure 8 jump track and all the crashes just kep getting better and better:D

How big is the heat shield? I am not sure if anyone has asked it before I would think that maybe you could install a water injecter to keep the V's engine cool rather than the airbox

[Serj22]

How big is the heat shield? I am not sure if anyone has asked it before I would think that maybe you could install a water injecter to keep the V's engine cool rather than the airbox

I'd say it's about 8 Inches in Diameter. Then reduced to about 6 Inches diameter in the tip. Water injectors = no.

I'm going for the Challenger. The new Camero isn't doing it for me, and I don't like it. Chalenger = sweetness. I'm still working on finding a set of 2006 Chargers for me and my wife.

[electric V]

The challengers are the best looking ones but I think that the SRT8 model will get dropped when the new 300C comes out in 2011 or 2010. I also heard that the challenger was a floaty with little body control. But I guess a few mods could clear that up.

[Serj22]

Muscle cars can always be adjusted. All the new muscle cars will be better than the newer retro mustang, that thing handled like it was driving on train tracks. I hated it. And of course the fact that it's a mustang...

[GTCB-chris]

id love to have a charger hemi, those are sick as hell

[Serj22]

I want a set of SRT-8's with the 'cuda black decal stuff on em, but I haven't even found one for my budget yet.

[GTCB-chris]

damn, my state and local police departments are using charger hemis as cruisers, i want a R/T charger hemi blacked out

[Serj22]

We got a charger, can't really drive it, it's more for show during parades and such, but it's an outfitted police cruiser...

[GTCB-chris]

we have a few of them, they haul freakin ass

[Serj22]

They're nice, and in American Canyon a few towns away they use Chargers and Magnums as regular police cruisers, but the town's only about 2 miles wide, and consists of a Safeway and a couple houses - it may be for a more showy aspect. The Crown Vics I drive on a regular basis work awesome, but the Charger is almost purely stock - which is amazing.

[GTCB-chris]

i was just looking at fords concept vehicle to replace the crown vic, i think its called the ford interceptor, or something like that. it looks pretty promising. they use a lot of chevy malibus and impalas around here too. and ford explorers.

[Serj22]

Vics for Police are already called interceptors - coolest name for a car.

[Radar24]

But the Interceptor for sale to the public would be 'de-tuned' right? Not as fast as the full blown Police vehicle. If they made them as fast they would lose sales to PD motor pools, wouldn't they? The last thing Ford can afford right now is to lose sales to PD.

-Rg

[Serj22]

The interceptor CV just has a larger radiator amongst other things just allowing it to run 125MPH for longer distance/time than a normal car, and added frame supports and no rear seat - custom locks - Wiring,lights, holes drilled/grommets attached - other things.

[Radar24]

So it is BS that the PD cruisers are magically faster?

Even though training must go a long way, nothing magical about them.

-Rg

[GTCB-chris]

There are few notable differences between the Police Interceptor and standard Crown Victoria. Both cars use the same Flex Fuel 4.6L 2V SOHC V8, Ford Modular engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine), and Ford 4-speed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AOD_transmission) automatic transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interce ptor&action=edit&section=4)] Engine and drive train

The Police Interceptor is equipped with an external oil-to-coolant heat exchanger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_exchanger) to reduce engine oil temperatures, allowing the vehicles to idle for extended lengths of time without overheating. The engine oil coolers are notorious for seeping oil from the O-ring seals after extensive use.
The Police Interceptor engine calibration comprises a slightly higher idle speed (by approximately 40 rpm) and minor changes in the emissions settings. The computer is tuned for more aggressive transmission shift points, and the transmission itself is built for firmer and harder shifts.
The 2006–present Police Interceptors equipped with a 3.55:1 rear axle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle) ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio) from the factory are electronically limited to 120 mph (193 km/h) due to the lower driveline-critical vehicle speed, while the Police Interceptors equipped with a 3.27:1 rear axle ratio have generally been limited to approximately 135 mph (217 km/h). This compares to 110 mph (177 km/h) for the "civilian" model.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interceptor#cite_note-1)
Ford used an aluminum metal matrix composite driveshaft for the 1993–2005 Police Interceptors as a measure to allow safe operation at over 150 mph (241 km/h), but it was more expensive than the regular aluminum driveshafts. Ford reintroduced the 3.55:1 rear axle ratio in the 2006 model year Police Interceptors, and set the speed limiter at 120 mph (193 km/h) to reduce the risk of driveline failure.
Police Interceptors also have a reinforced frame and body mounts, an aluminum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum) drive shaft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_shaft) (aluminum metal matrix composite for the 1999–early 2001 model years), and an optional limited slip rear differential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interce ptor&action=edit&section=5)] Body and chassis

Another difference is Ford's "severe duty" shock absorbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorbers) that offer a stiffer ride than the standard Crown Victoria. They also have black steel wheels with stainless steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel) or chromed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome) plastic hubcaps.
All Police Interceptors also come with T-409 stainless steel dual exhaust systems without resonators. Standard Crown Victorias come with a stainless steel single exhaust system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_system), while the Handling and Performance Package and LX Sport-equipped Crown Victorias have the same exhaust system as the Police Interceptor, with the resonators. The resonators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonator) further reduce noise, vibration, and harshness without adding any restriction to the exhaust system. Police Interceptors have higher-rate coil springs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_spring), approximately 0.8 inches (20.3 mm) of additional ground clearance, and thinner rear antiroll bars than the LX Sport or Handling and Performance Package Crown Victorias; the base Crown Victoria does not have a rear antiroll bar.
On 2004 and newer models, P71's have a 200 amp (A) alternator and a 78 ampere-hour (Ah) battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_%28electricity%29).
Ford also offers trunk packages for equipment storage (see below), and as of 2005, has added a fire suppression system to the Police Interceptor.
The bulk of police car modifications, such as installation of emergency lights, sirens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_%28noisemaker%29), passenger seat dividers, and plastic rear bench seats, are offered as aftermarket modifications by third parties.

[Serj22]

To answer your question simply Radar, the interceptor model isn't much of an upgrade from the stock one, except to run cooler and at higher speeds for a longer period of time, and run in idle for a long time. We rarely turn the cars off unless we're going to lunch or getting off shift.

[GTCB-chris]

my explanation was better :mad:


haha just kidding, you did just condense it up.

[Serj22]

my explanation was better :mad:


haha just kidding, you did just condense it up.

Exactly. haha. The only difference needed to know is that there is a shotgun sitting inbetween the two seats in a Interceptor, and a shield to hold prisoners, and shunts to hit cars, and flashy pretty lights that say "uh-oh" and regular C.V.'s don't have that.

[GTCB-chris]

i mean you could put blue lights in there, i use to have them in my crv. lol

[Radar24]

"...and shunts to hit cars, ..."
???
What is a shunt?

-Rg

[Serj22]

http://www.pro-gard.com/images/crown-vic-push-bumper-p2.jpg

A "push bar" or a "shunt" it's called a push bar technically, but we call em shunts beause that's what you feel if the car makes contact with that piece. Some departments call them "push bars".

[electric V]

Taxi Cabs have some of the same equipment as the police intercepters as well. Like the "Police Intercepter" badge on the back and the push bar on the front and some other minor things I can't remember off the top of my head. We have two chargers one checker and one metallic blue, a hell of a lot of Crown Vics.

And the Defence Depo DLA has a ton of Impallas and Tahos. I personally thnk that the Chargers are the angryest police vehicle available. I think that the police stations should use the new Ford Taurus SHO I never liked the Taurus but the new SHO looks pretty sweet and I bet it will have a better track record. Although I am sure that Police agancies would rather not use a 3.5 liter turbo charged engine.

I just can't wait to see some police challengers on the road:D

[Radar24]

AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT TAILING YOU! :)

-Rg

[Serj22]

Taxi Cabs have some of the same equipment as the police intercepters as well. Like the "Police Intercepter" badge on the back and the push bar on the front and some other minor things I can't remember off the top of my head. We have two chargers one checker and one metallic blue, a hell of a lot of Crown Vics.



THe reason why taxi cabs have the same equipment is because they can buy the old police interceptors that are retiring in bulk from a police auction, then re-paint them yellow. And they get them for fairly cheap. That's why you never NEVER buy a used taxi cab, even if it's for $10.00. That thing has been harassed by the police and a cabbie. We tend to get rid of our cars after 100k miles.

Ford Taurus has such a bad track record they'd never use it.

[MarkyMark]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x290/markkennedy33/Thread%20Posting%20Graphics/ThreadDirection.jpg

[Serj22]

http://www.bloodysushi.com/macro/this%20thread.jpg

But seriously yeah, we've deviated quite a bit. SOmeone start a "questions about police" thread or something and I'll answer stuff all day for you guys.

I re-glued the intake shield and am trying to get a hold of a welding device to weld a hose clamp to the edge, and use taht to mount it to the intake tube. Otherwise it has stayed still - but I think only because of my will for it to stay there alone - which doesn't really work... I'll stay updated.

[Serj22]

Just so everyone knows the only heat shield offerred for the intake I have is a pice of meltable looking plastic that wraps around the filter... doesn't look very effective:
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/racinglab_2048_443045609
They also have this: but that's what I made the first time was a box, and I wanted it to look more conical like the filter anyway:
http://www.eautoworks.com/images/350/WRcoldAirBox.jpg

[GTCB-chris]

I just can't wait to see some police challengers on the road:D


for real, id love to see that

[Serj22]

for real, id love to see that

Alright everyone I've made a topic train, will everyone get back on it? hahaha

I'm serious start a police thread, we can talk there all day.

[Radar24]

Within reason, all the thread hijacking is what makes this forum interesting. As long as the deviating does not go on and and on into never never land.

So MarkyMark, while I see your side of the coin, it seems like Serj does not have much going on. Nor do the contributors to the subject. So the alternative would be to have the tread come to a screeching halt. Or to inform the public about Police cruisers. I do not know too many gear heads not interested in that.

So Serj and Chris, at 100k well maintained miles the cruisers are just about broken in...and easily good for another 150k miles.... :D

-Rg

[Serj22]

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So Serj and Chris, at 100k miles the cruisers are just about broken in...and easily good for another 150k miles.... :D

-Rg

Alrgiht... fine... while there's nothing going on/I'll change the name of the thread. I do like deviations as well.

IT isn't truly good for 150k more. More like 30k and we abuse our cars. They are turned on almost 20 hours a day for their whole life and drive further i na day than a lot of normal workers. SO it's not a good car to buy from auction unless you buy one from the CHP as a private buyer - not taxi company. If it ever breaks they give you a "new" used one since you already gave them money for a car they got for free from the city, so they don't care.

[electric V]

I just wouldn't buy a CHP Camero. Those things get abused harder than an alchoholics liver:D

[Serj22]

THose things are never used actually, and they already came out about 5 years old when they started using them, and they only bought 60 of em. I've also never seen anyone drive em anymore. They're useless. You can't store prisoners, and they are barely as fast as a crown vic.

[electric V]

I have seen a lot of them being used as parade cars and at police booths at racing events. I think that they are supposed to be toys like look at what we got. Although the choppers are more effective but more expencive to maintain.

I Talked to a CHP officer at the infioeon track and he said that the cameros were abused?

[Serj22]

I have seen a lot of them being used as parade cars and at police booths at racing events. I think that they are supposed to be toys like look at what we got. Although the choppers are more effective but more expencive to maintain.

I Talked to a CHP officer at the infioeon track and he said that the cameros were abused?

What he means by ab used is that they bought 60 of em used with about 80k on em average.

[GTCB-chris]

I just wouldn't buy a CHP Camero. Those things get abused harder than an alchoholics liver:D
haha if i didnt have to be so PC i have a better example...

[Serj22]

That's right, PC chris - we have to be upstanding citizens now...;)
or do we?

Or don't we?

Or......do we?:)

[electric V]

You have too or I'll tell on you:rolleyes:

What he means by abused is that they bought 60 of em used with about 80k on em average.

That actually sounds right the more I think about it

[Serj22]

HEY! Chris moved my thread. Now I have to move something of his.. like his car, I will trave lacross the country and move it across the street while he sleeps. It will be frustrating to him.

[GTCB-chris]

HEY! Chris moved my thread. Now I have to move something of his.. like his car, I will trave lacross the country and move it across the street while he sleeps. It will be frustrating to him.
http://picsforlue.tripod.com/pics/Thread_Has_Been_Hijacked.jpg

[Serj22]

I don't see the picture... just says "image hosted by tripod. www.tripod.com" you know the deal. I checked the image location and saw it. Nice. This one has always been the best for a car forum though:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z271/dillinja666/threadjack.jpg

[GTCB-chris]

nice one, i didnt notice the absence of a picture

[Serj22]

Well, sometimes Tripod does that. Some images just don't show up when you source them. - it shows up to you, but no one else.

[Radar24]

Nice thread high-jacking picture.
Some just have too much spare time....

-Rg

[Serj22]

The people with too much spare time are the people who made the pictures... not so much the ones who posted them, but still bad.:)

[Radar24]

That goes without saying. That is what I meant.

The cute icons most have been canned. I cannot begin to think about spending the time required to make one of those.

If they are out there... :cool:

-Rg