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T Mac
04-11-2007, 09:27 PM
Hyundai Santa Fe is Ranked Among the Best Small SUVs Tested By Consumer Reports

Santa Fe now ranked just below CR's top-rated Toyota RAV4; Dodge Nitro posts disappointing "Fair" score

NEW YORK, April 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Newly redesigned, the
Hyundai Santa Fe Limited earned a "Very Good" overall rating -- surpassed
only by the V6-powered Toyota RAV4 Limited -- in tests for the May issue of
Consumer Reports.

The Santa Fe ranks second overall among some 20 small SUVs recently tested by Consumer Reports, including the highly rated Subaru Forester and Honda CR- V.

"The Santa Fe is quiet, comfortable riding, and it's refined," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports Auto Test Center in East Haddam, Connecticut. "It has a versatile interior, yet its exterior dimensions are modest."

The Santa Fe was one of five small SUVs tested for the May issue. Other vehicles in the group were the Subaru Forester, Mitsubishi Outlander, Suzuki XL7, and Dodge Nitro. The RAV4 and CR-V are among the other small SUVs previously tested by CR. As tested, the SUVs ranged in price from $27,662 for the Subaru Forester Sports 2.5XT to $30,745 for the Santa Fe Limited equipped with a 3.3 liter engine.

Though not on par with the Santa Fe, the Forester, Outlander, and XL-7 all posted "Very Good" overall scores. The new Dodge Nitro scored at the bottom of the pack with a "Fair" score.

The May issue also includes updates on three previously-tested minivans -- the Toyota Sienna, Nissan Quest, and Chevrolet Uplander. As reported in the Annual April Auto Issue, the Sienna is CR's Top Pick in the minivan category. It posted an "Excellent" overall score. The Nissan Quest achieved a "Very Good" score and the Uplander is rated "Good".

Tests and ratings of the small SUVs and the three minivans appear in the May issue of Consumer Reports, which goes on sale April 10. The reports are also available to subscribers of http://www.ConsumerReports.org.

Among the SUVs in this test group, Consumer Reports recommends only the Forester. CR does not yet have reliability data on the Santa Fe, Outlander, and XL7. The Nitro scored too low to be recommended. Consumer Reports only
recommends vehicles that have performed well in its tests, have at least average predicted reliability based on CR's Annual Car Reliability Survey of its own subscribers, and performed at least adequately if crash-tested or included in a government rollover test.

The redesigned Santa Fe is a big improvement over the old model. With an interior now big enough for a third row seat and excellent fit and finish, it is a refined and versatile package. The Santa Fe Limited ($30,745 Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price as tested) was tested with an optional 242-hp, 3.3-liter V6 engine and five-speed automatic transmission that deliver very good acceleration and smooth shifts -- but only 18 mpg overall in CR's fuel economy tests. The Santa Fe's third-row seat is suitable only for children, with a low cushion and very little leg room. The SUV has 37.5 cubic feet of storage area with the second- and third-row seats folded. Braking is very good overall.

The high-end Sports XT is the only Forester to currently offer electronic stability control. It is also quick and handles nimbly. But the ESC kicks in too late to prevent the SUV's tail from sliding. The Forester Sports XT ($27,662 MSRP as tested) is powered by a refined 224-hp, 2.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine that delivers acceleration matching that from many V6s. The four-speed automatic transmission shifts smoothly. The Forester has a substantial amount of cargo space for its size -- 32.0 cubic feet with the 60/40 rear seat folded forward. Braking performance is very good.

The redesigned Outlander is greatly improved and is now a competitive entry in this class. It has a refined, responsive powertrain and agile handling. The Outlander XLS ($30,615 MSRP as tested) is equipped with a 220- hp, 3.0-liter V6 that delivers smooth power and very good acceleration. It's mated to a slick, six-speed transmission. The interior is roomy and offers a tiny, third-row seat. With all the rear seatbacks folded, the Outlander has 33.5 cubic feet of storage space. Braking is very good.

The redesigned XL7 has moved past its truck roots and is now based on the Chevrolet Equinox. But it's longer than the Equinox and has enough room for a usable third row. Different suspension tuning gives it improved ride and handling over the Equinox. The XL7 Luxury ($29,284 MSRP as tested) is powered by a 252-hp, 3.6-liter V6 engine that provides ample performance.

The XL7 pulled CR's 3,500-pound test trailer to 60 mph faster than any vehicle in this group. The five-speed automatic transmission shifts very smoothly. Cargo room is 36.5 cubic feet, and both 60/40 second-row and 50/50 third-row seatbacks fold forward for additional storage space. Braking distances are fairly good.

The Nitro shares a platform with the Jeep Liberty and has bold styling but otherwise falls flat. Handling is clumsy, and the ride is snappy and unsettled. The driving position is awkward, and fit and finish are below par. The Nitro SLT ($28, 875 MSRP as tested) is equipped with a 210-hp, 3.7-liter V6 engine that feels sluggish and gets 16 mpg, the group's worst. The four- speed transmission shifts smoothly but isn't particularly responsive to part throttle downshifts. Cargo area expands to 39.5 cubic feet by folding the 60/40 rear seatbacks. The tailgate rises for access to the cargo area, and the floor pulls out for loading. Stopping distances from 60 mph were long on both dry and wet pavement.

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2RedV's
04-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Just be aware of the huge resale hit on anything "Hyundai".

07CRVOWNR
04-12-2007, 12:27 PM
I am trusting Consumer Reports less and less every time I read some of their reviews. A lot of there valuations, I have noticed, are contrary to the sources that I also read. I believe that this article is proof of this in what is essentially picking a Hyundai over a Honda, in my opinion. Hyundai has nowhere near the track record as Honda or Toyota. Other proof is the baby seating evaluation, I believe took place in February, where they got pretty much everything incorrect and blamed it on a communication error. Make sure that when in the market for a vehicle to consult mulitple sources.

2RedV's
04-12-2007, 12:34 PM
I only trust Consumer Reports for major appliances like refrigerators and washing machines which are totally different than vehicles.

RichK
04-12-2007, 02:46 PM
I am trusting Consumer Reports less and less every time I read some of their reviews. A lot of there valuations, I have noticed, are contrary to the sources that I also read. I believe that this article is proof of this in what is essentially picking a Hyundai over a Honda, in my opinion. Hyundai has nowhere near the track record as Honda or Toyota. Other proof is the baby seating evaluation, I believe took place in February, where they got pretty much everything incorrect and blamed it on a communication error. Make sure that when in the market for a vehicle to consult mulitple sources.

If you read T Mac's post you'll see CR does not recommend the Hyundai Santa Fe because it does not yet have a reliability record or "track record" as you state. CR is not "picking" a Hyundai over a Honda, just reporting it's on road performance and ergonomics.

2RedV's...just curious, if you don't trust CR vehicle recommendations, what source do you trust?

miko
04-12-2007, 03:28 PM
I don't care for CR's rating either, but having my Santa Fe for a little over three months, let me tell you people, it's a fabulous vehicle. Almost 10K miles so far. Local driving and trips from NY to WV and Florida. Zero issues. It replaced a Pilot. Better in every respect.

2RedV's
04-12-2007, 03:57 PM
RichK,

I don't trust Consumer Reports on car ratings because they view cars as appliances. I want a car to have soul, a purpose, to make me get excited every time I drive it. I read most of the major car magazines and rely much more on their reviews, however, the car magazines tend to go too far in the opposite way from Consumer Reports. They rely too much upon pure performance and looks. I tend to be a little more cautious in that regard. I do like reading the articles on used vehicles where owners have responded about what items go bad on various makes/models of cars. It can be very enlightening.

07CRVOWNR
04-12-2007, 03:57 PM
If you read T Mac's post you'll see CR does not recommend the Hyundai Santa Fe because it does not yet have a reliability record or "track record" as you state. CR is not "picking" a Hyundai over a Honda, just reporting it's on road performance and ergonomics.

2RedV's...just curious, if you don't trust CR vehicle recommendations, what source do you trust?


RichK, please read the first part of the article which is "the Hyundai Santa Fe Limited earned a "Very Good" overall rating -- surpassed only by the V6-powered Toyota RAV4 Limited -- in tests for the May issue of Consumer Reports."

"The Santa Fe ranks second overall among some 20 small SUVs recently tested by Consumer Reports, including the highly rated Subaru Forester and Honda CR- V."

The first sentence indicates that the only car, CR chose over the Santa Fe, was the Toyota RAV4 Limited. It also states in the following paragraph that is ranked 2nd overall of 20 tested SUVs. This is clearly indicating that they chose the Hyundai over the Honda in this instance. Also, Hyundai has recently improved their products (within the past 2 or 3 years). Honda has been providing reliable transportation for over 15 years.

You are correct concerning the rest of the article, which I did read before my original post.

RichK
04-12-2007, 10:04 PM
RichK, please read the first part of the article which is "the Hyundai Santa Fe Limited earned a "Very Good" overall rating -- surpassed only by the V6-powered Toyota RAV4 Limited -- in tests for the May issue of Consumer Reports."

"The Santa Fe ranks second overall among some 20 small SUVs recently tested by Consumer Reports, including the highly rated Subaru Forester and Honda CR- V."

The first sentence indicates that the only car, CR chose over the Santa Fe, was the Toyota RAV4 Limited. It also states in the following paragraph that is ranked 2nd overall of 20 tested SUVs. This is clearly indicating that they chose the Hyundai over the Honda in this instance. Also, Hyundai has recently improved their products (within the past 2 or 3 years). Honda has been providing reliable transportation for over 15 years.

You are correct concerning the rest of the article, which I did read before my original post.

I surely agree with you about Honda's reputation of quality and reliability. Personally I would not buy a Hyundai over a Honda based on resale value alone. As you say Hyundai has recently improved their vehicles, and I think all CR is doing is reflecting this in their tests.

I am still a Honda person , but I don't resent improvement in the competition.


2RedV's...I guess I'm a bit too old to look for soul and excitement in vehicles.
Reliability, safety, ergonomics, resale value are biggies for me. I enjoy reading the auto mags, but when I'm ready to buy a new vehicle, CR (which I admit doesn't satisfy everyone) is an important reference.

2RedV's
04-12-2007, 11:26 PM
I surely agree with you about Honda's reputation of quality and reliability. Personally I would not buy a Hyundai over a Honda based on resale value alone. As you say Hyundai has recently improved their vehicles, and I think all CR is doing is reflecting this in their tests.

I am still a Honda person , but I don't resent improvement in the competition.


2RedV's...I guess I'm a bit too old to look for soul and excitement in vehicles.
Reliability, safety, ergonomics, resale value are biggies for me. I enjoy reading the auto mags, but when I'm ready to buy a new vehicle, CR (which I admit doesn't satisfy everyone) is an important reference.

I agree on some points, for sure. Heck, I have a 99 V. Safe, reliable, great revving engine and great resale. I take all of the various mags in perspective.

Resale alone is not the only selling point. The vehicle needs to be able to serve your purpose and make you feel good. If you don't feel good, you will sell it off sooner rather than later. If you intend to sell it before it dies, resale should be a big factor unless you just don't care about your money. I bought my 99 used with 80k miles for $9000 2.5 years ago. It is probably worth $6000 in a private sale now - it is near flawless. The 04 EX was purchased new for about $21,300 (IIRC) and is still worth around $16,000.

That is tough to beat. In fact, darn near impossible for any other vehicle to beat. This will make buying the wife a new V in 08 super easy since hers is still worth so much.

I have other vehicles in my own little fleet too. Presently, a couple of older muscle cars and a truck as well as a boat... too many things with engines! I wish I had "discovered" Honda's many years ago. I have owned well over 60 vehicles thru the years and these recent Honda's have made me really appreciate the engineering and overall quality. (I once leased a 1995 Accord. Should have just bought it and kept it as it was flawless)

One really needs to look at the big, overall picture. Consider it all.

Greenzter
04-13-2007, 11:59 AM
I have never bought a vehicle because it has a higher resale value. I buy it because I like it, want to enjoy driving it, and it has a good record.

My intentions are always to keep it for a long time. High resale value doesn't mean much then.

And for second hand buyers, you paid more. That's an advantage?

Different for people who routinely change vehicles every couple years. That's not for me. :(

07CRVOWNR
04-15-2007, 10:21 AM
I have never bought a vehicle because it has a higher resale value. I buy it because I like it, want to enjoy driving it, and it has a good record.

My intentions are always to keep it for a long time. High resale value doesn't mean much then.

And for second hand buyers, you paid more. That's an advantage?

Different for people who routinely change vehicles every couple years. That's not for me. :(


I also keep my vehicles a long time or until they have been totaled in a wreck, which happend to my previous car a couple of months ago. I also buy cars because I like them but have to keep the total picture in mind when making a decision, my wrecked car was a 2000 Pontiac Grand Am GT (which I liked, but had a lower resale value than the corresponding Honda Accord). This becomes part of someones history which is usually involved in some matter when making a decision to purchase a car. A higher resale value will generally, not always, give you a better amount back from your insurance company. You can't say that an accident would absolutely occur, but it should be considered. Resale value is just one of the options, just like looking at the color, gas mileage, options, historical repair history of the car/manufacturer, and performance to name a few. In my opion, it is better to consider all aspects and resources when making decisions about something this expensive to purchase.

Greenzter
04-15-2007, 08:00 PM
In my opion, it is better to consider all aspects and resources when making decisions about something this expensive to purchase.
You're right, of course. I only meant that it is not the most important.