what does your user name mean?

[GTCB-chris]

just curious, because it shows a lot about you some times. mine is this: GTCB stands for georgetown county boys and of course chris is my first name


GTCB is a group i use to be in with a bunch of guys from around georgetown county where i live in SC, who all drive 4wd trucks, suvs, and a couple hondas

[electric V]

Self Explanitory.

My V is not electric yet but my plan is to convert a Metro or the Original VW bug to electric and after testing I would move the electric Drivetrain into the V

[Serj22]

WHen I was in Seascouts, which is like the Junior Navy for people who don't want to be in boyscouts where we drove large decommisioned military vessels and old coast guard boats to events and such, learned how to climb ropes, do boatswains chairs, set up a breeches booey, construct a tripod called a "scuttlebutt" to haul heavy barrels upward, climb over steel boats tied together, sometimes 10 abreast - takes forever, marching competitions. ANd the very last comp. I went to was on the deck of a aircraft carrier, but that made it hard to run the obstacle course. Anyway, there were different ships for each city -

I started as the Boatswain (leader) of the "Endeavour" in Benicia, and was for a few years till the ship's funds folded and all we really had for fun was a little cabin cruiser - not so big, and a huge boat we called the milk carton because it looked like one of those milk cartons you got in grade school, and a surf boat - 20ft boat to cruise around and have fun at about 50mph (not bad for a boat).

When that folded, I went to Martinez to join a sister ship "The Seawitch" in Martinez, and drove around on a retired 36ft army corps of engineers brigade boat (still had the AA gun mounted to the roof and everything) then after a year of being a boatswain's mate, I moved to the "Sea Hawk" in Benicia and became the Boatswain again to start up a new ship...etc...etc...

Anyway, that's just a setup to my story:

So any time we had an event, all the ships in the Bay area or California (for AMR, the big one) would show up. The game of the time was called "capture the flag" now, the object is that every boat has a 2 man watch for one hour intervals at all times of the night (very sleep-deprivating) and the idea is to sneak past a ship's watch and steal their flag off their mast (everyone was required to have one) Then you would put it in water, shove it in the freezer, and "Freeze the Flag" that gave you the points for the capture, then you would return all the flags you got when the event was over in a frozen, unusable state (Our Captains and such did not appreciate this, but whatever.)

Continuing the story:

There was a ship from Richmond called "The Northland" and their uniforms were dark green shirts and black pants. On the back of the shirts it said "Northland" and on the front on the upper side it said their nickname, the Boatswains name was "Sarge" and the Second's was "Smudge" and "Slinky" and they all had different ones. Now, the Northland was a large ship, and it's flag was always unreachable. Being the leader, I came up with a plan to trick the Northland into letting us on board. I had a dark green shirt, and a black hat, and we used a sharpie to etch the word "Southland" in the Back and "Serj" on the front to dub me "Serj of the Southland" 2s's - Serj22.

At about 1am, I sneaked over to the opposite side of the harbor where said ship was docked to a piling about 10 feet away from shore - no way to reach. I used a monkey's fist (metal ball with a rope) and threw it over the deck to get it into the swing dock, which I pulled to get it facing land again (they were very protective of their flag, but someone slipped up and told me how to work the swing dock... woops.) I crossed the dock and walked to the deck and was immediately confronted by the two men on watch who ordered me to get back into my bunk because we had a long day tomorrow. I said "I was just going for a pee, I'll go back" and walked back towards the bunk area, but instead turned, climbed onto the pilot house, and grabbed onto the flag... it was not tied to the bottom of the mast, they tied it to the top... damn... so I had to scale the mast on the backside, so the watch wouldn't see. I had to sit still for a while since the captain's were out on the front deck, and I didn't want them to look up the mast... like a ninja almost - and sorry for the meme, but a ninja-pirate would be the correct explanation for what I was doing.

I managed to reach where the flag was tied, and took it off. Put it in the back of my pants and started to climb down the mast. I then jumped down to the deck, and since there were people on the front, and people on the back... they would not want a "crew member" randomly walking around with the flag, my plan would have been blown, so I had to shimy over the gunwale, and hang down off the side of the boat, and drop into the water with as little noise as possible. Unfortunately I did make a noise, and the watch came over to see, but I stayed close to the boat so they couldn't see me:D Then they passed it off as an animal or something and kept talking to eachother, so I moved around the side of the boat,swam to the back, and got back on shore near the swing dock, then walked normally back to my ship to proclaim my deed!!! Everyone was impressed as this was the second time in history someoen managed to steal the Northland's flag. The first time one of the crew members gave it to someone so that doesn't count. As the ultimate showing of our greatness, we froze the flag and hung it stiff from our own mast instead of our Seawitch flag which we hid downside for the day.

I wore the shirt the next day which was still a bit wet to the dance (we had a huge dance party at every event with a DJ and sometimes live bands, etc...) The people on the Northland thought the shirt was a funny joke, including "sarge" who the shirt was modeled after, and none of them got the correlation as to why their flag was missing, and who did it.

Thus they called me "Serj of the Southland" (pronounced Surge, like a surge of electricity)
Serj22.

The end.

[qwrty]

when i was making a second email add, for public use..
i couldnt think of any, thats why i just decided to use the first
5 letters of the keyboard, then for funny reasons i skipped the letter E,
making it all vowel.. i kinda stick to this username evesince!
almost all the community/forums i registered, this is my login name..

thats it..

[Black Pearl]

The car, the color, a piece of jewelry, and a movie.

It became apparent that keeping our Plymouth minivan was going to become expensive. So I decided to start looking for a car. I had been interested in an Ody, but we were now empty nesters, financially cleaned out from our son's college tuition with the promise of more to pay, and the price of gas was starting to get out of hand. The Ody didn't make sense for us. So I thought what about the CR-V. At that time, I didn't even realize that they had come out with the Gen 3s.

Half on a lark, I was still debating fixing our Plymouth, I stopped in a Honda dealer, Dame Voyager (Dame Black Pearl in the previous automotive incarnation) would have nothing to do with even looking. She loved her Vincent Van Go and it was to be fixed up forever regardless of the cost. In the showroom there was a black EX-L looking magnificent. I opened the driver's door and suddenly a choir of angels began singing, a light from heaven beamed throught the moon roof and put blue halos around the speedometer and tach. A giant voice that only I could hear spoke, "This is the one. You will buy it in Nighthawk Black Pearl. You will buy it with cloth seats." The car was sold in my mind in the first 15 seconds.

Now to sell the car to Dame Voyager. Every mention of the V was rebuffed with just fix Vincent. I could hardly mention that fixing Vincent may constitute a violation of divine law with the punishment of having to drive and repair--what for me had become Jean Claude Damn Van--into eternity.

We were at one of the Pirates of The Carribean movies (my wife loves swords, pirates, and Johnny Depp) and Captain Jack Sparrow kept talking about the Black Pearl this and the Black Pearl that. After about the 50th mention of the Black Pearl an inspiration pops into my thick head. The V is Nighhawk Black Pearl. Lady Voyager always names the cars something. Start calling it the Black Pearl. On the way out of the theater, I casually mention that the color I was thinking about for the V was Nighhawk Black Pearl. We could call the V the Black Pearl. There was a spark of interest for a moment, then "Just fix Vincent".

With the constant onslaught of my devious hints, threats, moans, and groans she finally realized that I was indeed buying a new car and that she had better at least try sitting in them. We both liked the Element, so I took her to look at the Element. The back door closing under the front clashed with her claustrophobia. Well while we are here let's look at the V. Not as comfortable as Vincent...just fix Vincent. Well we looked at some other contenders (even though the V had already been sold in my mind) and if we had to buy a car the CR-V was the best one, but just fix Vincent.

Well I wasn't going to fix Vincent so I had soften the blow somehow. Bling, of course! I bought a black pearl pendant and kept it hidden for the big day. She wouldn't participate in the willful trading in of her beloved Vincent. So I brought the Black Pearl home, and placed the pendant in the upper glove compartment. We took a ride and I told her to open the glove compartment. Well I was still a SOB but the bling helped.

She didn't warm up to the V until one winter day when we were stuck in traffic on a hill. The truck in front of us tried to move and fishtailed and slid sideways down the hill (fortunately I had left a lot of room between us). The Black Pearl pulled out with no trouble and took us home without slipping once. Vincent was terrible in the snow--the Black Pearl wasn't so bad after all.

[frenchwrench]

Wow!! Good stories folks! Mine's a bit more mundane. I'm the Lead Mechanic on an EMS AS365N2 Dauphin since 1989. Made in France. I've worked on different French made helicopters since 1979. When I worked the "Trail of the Dinosaur" ( oil exploration ) my wife and I lived and worked out of a 1977 Winnebago. She painted "French Wrench" on the spare tire cover. Hence the moniker.

[tkcr]

My first and last name intials and my girlfriends first and last name intials. We use it for our e-mail and so I just used it here on the CRV owners club.

[Alpine]

Alpine - after the car stereo brand

http://www.alpine.com.au/images/alpine_logo.gif

http://www.alpine.com.au/index.asp

[illegal]

my old cars "name" (google illegal civic)
had it on my plates also because cops used to always pull me over and say "get out of the car, and let me show you whats illegal on it" :)

[Serj22]

had it on my plates also because cops used to always pull me over and say "get out of the car, and let me show you whats illegal on it" :)

So you'd just point to the license plates and speed the process up that way?:D

[illegal]

yep, the joke turned into the name of the car. My old plates before that when the cops would say that were "suspect"

[fillsteak]

I am known as "Phil" and have a health appetite.
One friend started calling me, "Philly Cheesesteak."
Others revised it to, "PhillSteak," and now it is simply, "fillsteak."
Strangely, none of these ever happened around a cheesesteak.

[fujisawa]

takeo fujisawa was soichiro honda's chief business partner. honda was a brilliant engineer, but clueless about finances. fujisawa was excellent at running the business, but with no engineering background. it has been said that neither could have been successful without the other. it makes a bit of sense for me since my career is in finance.

and of course i can't very well call my username "honda" now can i?

[GTCB-chris]

takeo fujisawa was soichiro honda's chief business partner. honda was a brilliant engineer, but clueless about finances. fujisawa was excellent at running the business, but with no engineering background. it has been said that neither could have been successful without the other. it makes a bit of sense for me since my career is in finance.

and of course i can't very well call my username "honda" now can i?
clever, i like that one

[Serj22]

I just recently found out who all those people were when I was Wikki-ing "Mugen" because I wanted to know why stuff that just said "Mugen" was way expensive, turns out Mugen was started in 1973 By Hirotoshi Honda and he's the son of the founder of Honda, which makes sense now and the mugen company mainly builds race cars.

[illegal]

you just learned that :)

[Peacemaker1911]

Peacemaker is from the Bible, Matthew 5:9 where it says, "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for the shall be called the Children of God" and 1911, is the best pistol ever!

Hahaha, but my name refers to a pistol I built a few years ago Peacemaker 1911. Kimber .45 with an 8 1/2inch ported barrel, Lasermax guiderod , aluminum grips, Cmore scope, and Surefire tac light. I also built a Lawdog1911 (another username of mine) with simular specs but shorter, for my carry gun.

My next carry (concealed handgun permit) gun is a STI "Perfect 10" 10mm 2011 double stack.

[Serj22]

How do you liek the Cmore? I've never had one on a gun, I think they make it look a little like it's from the future or something. as for another inquiry, did you ever get any more work done on your carbon fiber sub box? I was following it on Cardomain.

[Orwell]

My username Orwell is short for George. :D

[Serj22]

Well, Mr Orwell, refrain from Double speaking while you're here, that would be double plus ungood.;)

[Radar24]

I just recently found out who all those people were when I was Wikki-ing "Mugen" because I wanted to know why stuff that just said "Mugen" was way expensive, turns out Mugen was started in 1973 By Hirotoshi Honda and he's the son of the founder of Honda, which makes sense now and the mugen company mainly builds race cars.
I Googled that a while back myself!
What the heck is a Mugen I used to think?

BTW Serj22 (I thought that was your age) I do believe you have me beat by a word or two for the longest post ever! Or close to it.
Seems like any title or achievement not easily attained you sneak up on it and capture the old glory. :eek:

Illegal, I had you pegged from the beginning.

With ElectricV I was close but no cigar.

The Legacy of the BP I had read the abridged version before.

On GTCB I was way off. I thought you were into the late 60's MGB GTs.
Nice looking for the era but rust prone with disappearing rocker panels just like the rag top roadster MGB. I helped a friend rebuilt a ‘66 roadster in the late 80’s. Actually I mostly watched as he taught me about MIG welding. Then I showed him how to spray a dust free paint job on the B.

fujisawa, I had read about that too but had forgotten. Imagined it had a ninja connection...

tkcr, You had told me the first part but the second was and still is a mystery???

Finally Radar24:
27 kilo was my Army MOS - Ground Surveillance Radar Operator. As a draftee I was first in my class in advanced training on the PPS-5. One of these days I will digitize a picture of yours truly next to one at the DMZ in Korea and post it. Holding an M-16a with no rounds in it. Par for the course! No one else gave a hoot especially most volunteers. Basically they were not the best days for the Army in the early 70's. Huge morale and pot/drug problem. Not like it is today. Nor did anyone but the instructors know how to operate the radar good enough to pick up targets. It is all in the ear you see... as well as interpreting the dot on the screen. And we wonder why we lost Vietnam. Not enough dedicated professionals to fight a war we had no business fighting as history has proven. I learned a lot about life though. The worst year and 263 days I never should have missed. And didn't.

Then the clincher. I often know what people are trying to say before they are halfway thru. Sometimes I am way off but quite often I am not. Sort of like ABC’s The Mentalist but not anywhere near as good as portrayed on TV. As good looking maybe many moons ago :D but not as keen making observations. I’m still working on it.

The 24 part is easy.

-Rg

[Serj22]

The 24 part is easy.

-Rg

WEll, yeah, we always knew you are 24 years old. And you have 24 cats, and 24 contacts in your phone book:D

MY dad was in Vietnam, he had a huge drug problem, but he was a medic. He's 60 and has no idea how to use a computer, and still types with one finger while trying to look at the letters, and is the only person I know who hates when the computer "thinks" and is the only person I know to physically destoy a computer with a bat so he could buy a new one... for 3 grand, that is now broken as well. HE can draw awesomely with AutoCAD and TurboCAD like it was nothing... but can't operate the computer otherwise...

[Peacemaker1911]

How do you liek the Cmore? I've never had one on a gun, I think they make it look a little like it's from the future or something. as for another inquiry, did you ever get any more work done on your carbon fiber sub box? I was following it on Cardomain.

I don't have my CRV back yet from the bodyshop. Insurance is giving me the run around. Its been in the shop 5 weeks, and they still haven't went and looked at it to give me my money to fix it.

I like the optima scope better, its smaller and I can holster it. C-more was great for fast target shooting. They do look like space guns.
C-more

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww217/Red_R_CRV/36.jpg
Optima
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww217/Red_R_CRV/34.jpg

[Radar24]

WEll, yeah, we always knew you are 24 years old. And you have 24 cats, and 24 contacts in your phone book MY dad was in Vietnam, he had a huge drug problem, but he was a medic. He's 60 and has no idea how to use a computer, and still types with one finger while trying to look at the letters, and is the only person I know who hates when the computer "thinks" and is the only person I know to physically destoy a computer with a bat so he could buy a new one... for 3 grand, that is now broken as well. HE can draw awesomely with AutoCAD and TurboCAD like it was nothing... but can't operate the computer otherwise...
I type slightly better with than your dad two fingers! Otherwise my posts would be much longer! Aren't you all glad? :D I was thinking of taking a speed typing class. What do ya'll think?

I also resisted using PC’s until my SCI at which point I had plenty of time and could not afford a MAC. Fourteen years ago. I could design and connect peripherals to a small 8 or 16 bit processor but had no reason to take my work home. So basically I was PC illiterate too. What a co-ink-y-dink! I have never used a bat but I think a hammer at least on one occasion. Plus I have a bunch of Hard Drives I cannot decide if I should use a screw driver or hammer on them to destroy any personal info. I am resisting Face Book as well being an intrusion on my privacy. I am convinced they are all about selling private info whether you like it or not.

As a medic in Nam if he saw action your dad was no doubt mentally traumatized. Cut him some slack and give him all the help he ever asks for. That is the least that the rest of us that did not see action and the carnage can do. I personally do not know what my course of action would have been had I sighted another human with a loaded weapon that had his sights trained on me! You never know if you can actually pull the trigger until the time comes. Fortunately all I had to do was worry about the millions of N Koreans with loaded AK-47s looking for an excuse to take a pop shot. As they occasionally did at Panmunjom where the peace talks were sometimes held. Within the DMZ. The only place I think that the USA and North Korean Army sentries were within yards of each other. Normally separated by a mile or more at the DMZ. Lots of tunnels to infiltrate were dug with the occasional N. Korean infiltrator caught. Most all were caught on the hush hush to keep up the appearances of an impenetrable boundary.

I'm not sure how much this has changed in the last thirty years. Certainly the ROK army has gotten even better equipped with all their economic development. So has the DPRK (North or Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, why is it a lot of Democratic Republics are totalitarian regimes and far from being Democratic?) at the expense of a lot of hunger, hard work and suffering ruthlessly demanded by Kim Jong Il. During Nam the Viet Cong and NVA (regulars) feared the ROK army. Not having their hands tied behind their back like the US was due to the media the ROK army in Nam was extremely ruthless taking no sh_t (and probably prisoners). They did what was necessary to get the job done. That was the scuttlebutt at the time in any event told by those familiar with the ROK army in Nam. Too bad there were not a lot more of them. The outcome of the war might have been different but in the end the final result might have ended up about the same.

During my watch at the DMZ radar site shed I actually had a ROK posting watch alongside even though he spoke no English and all I knew was Komapsumnida (thank-you). That is what they would say when we gave them out extra eggs. They would poke a very small hole on the shell and bottoms up suck the raw egg out the hole. Very tidy and neat actually if you do not mind salmonella. :eek:

Currently Viet Nam is looking to the west to normalize and improve relationships in order to develop it's economy. But not at all like Kim Jong Il. Actually the opposite. The US economy is interrested in investing in Viet Nam for PROFITS naturally. Ironically once the quotas and restrictions imposed by the US are lifted, the flood gates will open and Viet Nam will become a smaller version of China IMO! That was the jest I got out of a PBS program I just saw on Viet Nam.

Drafted at the very tail end of the draft which I think ended in November ‘72 after one year at the U of H before College deferments ended. You do the math to figure out my age. I forget, it changes every year! :D The # 24??? That was was the number they used to determine your draft number. Or the date I first breathed oxygen as a gas and went cordless. Wah! Wah, Wah! I understand thats a very common number used as a login extensions. ;)

-Rg

[Radar24]

I don't have my CRV back yet from the bodyshop. Insurance is giving me the run around. Its been in the shop 5 weeks, and they still haven't went and looked at it to give me my money to fix it.
Maybe you should show up at the shop with one of these babies in a holster and demand it be fixed ASAP!
It does not even need to be loaded.
Two of them would be even better. :D One under each arm.

BTW isn't the term PeaceMaker an oxymoron? :confused:

-Rg

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww217/Red_R_CRV/36.jpg
Optima
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww217/Red_R_CRV/34.jpg

[fujisawa]

i hate when the computer thinks as well. hate it!!!! >:(

[Serj22]

I think my favorite name for a gun ever was the "Perseuder" and it's a shotgun.

[electric V]

Plus I have a bunch of Hard Drives I cannot decide if I should use a screw driver or hammer on them to destroy any personal info.

You should take them apart. The magnets in them are incredibly strong I love them. And cut the metal hard disks in them as ninja stars. Thats what I do to my parenst old hard drives:D

The ninja stars are too flimsy to be leathal (darn:() but if you sharpen them they could be pretty hurtful. I only tested them on myself and not other people. When I got my airsoft pistol (a cheap 270 FPS) It looked just like the C-More but I had a silencer an optical light underneath the barrel and a laser sight on it. Then I shot myself on the inside of my elbo to see how much it hurt not much at all:(

[Serj22]

I have a large airsoft gun that I altered all the rails to have slots for every upgrade, so there's a blue combat light, a laser sight on the top, and an extra clip mount on the side - It's nearly impossible to draw the slide since it's compressed by all the rails, but it hits pretty hard. And I have a large .44 that's made of steel, and I belive was imported from China or something, and that thing hurts really bad... and then there's my real service weapon, and that hurts worse... at least, I think it would.

[Radar24]

... and then there's my real service weapon, and that hurts worse... at least, I think it would.
9 mil?

-Rg

[Serj22]

G-27, I want a .44 or maybe similar, but I've always believed in trying to wound someone more than trying to rip their arm off or kill them... Not had to draw it on anyone yet, luckily.

[electric V]

.44 or maybe similar, but I've always believed in trying to wound someone more than trying to rip their arm off or kill them

Nice peice there... uh I mean cannon:D

[Serj22]

Nice peice there... uh I mean cannon:D

No Electric, I want a 44, I have a g-27... silly.:rolleyes:

[Peacemaker1911]

I think my favorite name for a gun ever was the "Perseuder" and it's a shotgun.


Here's some of my Persuaders and my Ruger 10/22
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/y1pbdKs-YD-rYRHKFF03UCqvy0yI7nP92k7.jpg

Two of my toy boxes

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/gun21.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/gun18.jpg
.45 Long Colt/ .410 Derringer

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/gun4.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/gun5.jpg

[Serj22]

WTF? Is that some kind of altered flare gun? (that's what it looks like) what year is it?, have you seen any of those revolver/w shotgun barrel/stock conversions? That's what that reminds me off. Nice shotties. I only have one gun, the rest are fake...

Is that a AK 74 or 107 I see with some form of funky stock? I like it...

BTW some people at the EOC have some interesting ideas, just saw this a bit ago...

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68318&stc=1&d=1240857192

[GTCB-chris]

yeah, the only real gun i have is a Marlin 7 shot 8w/1 in chamber, lever action 30/30

[GTCB-chris]

i almost forgot i had a break barrel 20 gauge shotty, i never found the name, it was old as all holy hell.


im looking to get a permit and getting a side arm, what kind of hand pistol do yall suggest, i want like a 9 mil.

[Serj22]

It truly depends on what you like. Some guns are good, some suck, and other people think those guns that suck are the best! It's hard to tell, stick with what feels right, and then if you come close, alter it to be perfect, shave the grip if you must, grind the rails thinner, whatever you need to make it for you.

[electric V]

Whats a better side arm Khar or Glock? I have read about each one better than the other but I guess they may be the to similar.

[Serj22]

Not sure on that question V, never used a Khar, so couldn't tell ya.

As for the subject at hand!

More user reasons!!!

[Radar24]

I personally like my Model 880 Daisy multi-pump pneumatic.

I can load about a fifty .177 (4.5mm) copper jacketed volleys in that sucker. Plus one up the pipe. I have not met an enemy squirrel that can overpower me yet! Never had to retreat or fix bayonet for close quarter’s hand to hand combat. Or more accurately hand to rodent paws… :)

PeaceMaker, having any good trench warfare lately?
Is that a bayonet or a bayonet launcher on your Persuader? OUCH!

I need to adjust the sight though. I like clean kills. One shot in the head from 500m. Clean thru the ears.... :D Yeah, right! With the way my Rx induced myoclonic twitches are I would be lucky to hit a suitcase from 15m. :confused: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myoclonus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myoclonus)

Did I mention I Made Expert Marksmen in the Army’s M16 qualifications? One point more than the max to be exact. I believe you could rack up extra points in the night-time portion. Those green enemy silhouettes did not stand a chance against my M-16. :D

I also got the Expert Grenades badge too. Don’t know how as I never threw one of those bad boys. After seeing the dust cloud - hearing the explosion from a demonstration and being told that a recruit had unsuccessfully dropped one a few weeks before in the hole. It did not drop into the safety chamber. I think at least one recruit or instructor died. So I decided my pulled back muscle was a good enough excuse to try to get out of throwing the grenade. And no it was not a pineapple grenade. So for my ingenuity and cowardice they gave me the Grenades Expert badge. Fortunately with my general aptitude test scores got me out of being an 11Bravo or Infantry Grunt. Instead they and put me in MI (Military Intelligence) where I should never have to toss any grenades.

Go figure. The Army part is all factual. The daisy part is a little exaggerated for amusement.

You guys do realize that a grenade explosion you see on TV is not even 1/10 as powerful as what it is in real life. A frag hand grenade can clear out an entire large 30' by 30' room!

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade#Fragmentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade#Fragmentation)

“For the M67 fragmentation grenade used by several NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO) nations, the effective kill zone has a five meter radius, while the casualty-inducing radius is approximately fifteen meters.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade#cite_note-12) Fragments can fly as far as 230 meters.”

A Five meters radius kill zone means easily anything within a 30’diameter can bite the dust. Other variations of fragmentation grenades can have a much farther range. The Soviet F1 has a fragment range of up to 30 m radius. The problem is not everyone can throw that far! OOPS! :eek: Scared the sh_t out of my pants when I saw a frag M-67 go off. Well at least the chiggers anyways.

-Rg

[Radar24]

Serj22, which Glock model? A 22 long?
Is that what the 22 in Serj22 is all about and not the boat length? :D

A 22 long is a pea shooter. Although lethal in the right area.

-Rg

[Serj22]

Serj22, which Glock model? A 22 long?
Is that what the 22 in Serj22 is all about and not the boat length? :D

A 22 long is a pea shooter. Although lethal in the right area.

-Rg

G27, Serj22, the 22 is a random tag because the name Serj is almost always taken, or some places don't accept 4 letter names.

I'm working on looking for a gun to buy, but I mean the gun was given to me for free when I started, and it's small, yeah, but I have no real intention of blowing someone's brain's out, or ripping their leg off, I can take care of someone with a pea shooter, beleive me.

Thinking of just carrying a police positive 6, that would be the best, except for having to carry pre-circled rounds.

[Radar24]

G27, ...Thinking of just carrying a police positive 6, that would be the best, except for having to carry pre-circled rounds.
Pre-circled rounds???

I suppose that the big cannons might be chosen to compensate for having a penile complex. So if you are secure with your manhood then a pea shooter is just fine. :D And much lighter to carry.

A little disconcerting against an AK-47 or a MAC10 with one of those long clips. But so would it be with a 9 mm anyhow. I think it is a little fake and theatrical when the good guys on TV always win with their 9 mm against the assault rifles. :) Good marksmanship can only protect you so far when rounds are hitting all around you at mega-rounds per second. :eek:

-Rg

[Serj22]

Pre-circled rounds???

-Rg

I have no idea what it's called, and my dad always called it pre-circled, I have no idea what it was called, basically a "clip" if it can be called the for a 6 shooter so you can just plug the bullets in all at once on a tray.

[frenchwrench]

Those are called "moon clips". Also speed loaders. Almost as fast as loading a semiauto. A Glock 22 is a 40 caliber....much bigger than a pea shooter.(You'll put your eye out!).:D

[Radar24]

AHHH! An ordinance expert. A Glock 22 is a 40 Caliber?
That IS NOT exactly small.

I had picked up a loose 50 CAL round at one point. It is neither .5” nor 5mm.
So what is the conversion from 'Caliber' to mm or inches? I’m just curious.

I remember that the ROK army had 30 CAL machine guns from WWII at the guard tower in the DMZ near where we had out radar site. The belt clips were all broken in short segments so they would have to reload after every few rounds . The ammo was so old and the belt clips were so worn out that they would not clip to make a continuous belt. Anyhow a 30 CAL was not exactly a small diameter either.

I will never forget about the 30 call belt situation as the ROK guards were the guys that were protecting the relative small number of GIs at the DMZ should hostilities arise. There was some comfort in the fact that should the the N Koreans cross the DMZ our life expectancy was very short. Not even hours but minutes so I was told. With the only way to retreat from the North Incheon area and cross the Imjin river was thru Freedom Bridge . It had been blow up by a trigger happy Lieutenant during a drill once you see. Part of the defense plan was to blow up the bridge leaving whoever was behind up the creek with a zillion North Koreans. So I stopped being concerned about the belts. That was SOP at the DMZ in the early 70’s.

Isn’t it wonderful that they have nukes now! So there really is no point in worrying about Freedom Bridge any longer is there?

It seems that to his credit I have been unjustifiably razzing Serj about not having a 9mm!

That goes to show the depth of my knowledge.
All I know about is that which I was exposed to in the Army.
But I'm very interested in the subject.

I did inherit a singly shot bolt action 22 rifle my in-law used for target practice before WWII. But I no longer have it. Along with my sling shot! :rolleyes:

-Rg

[Black Pearl]

All you ever wanted to know about caliber but were afraid to ask:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber

The quick answer: caliber without a unit of measure is the approximate diameter of the bullet and the weapon's bore expressed in hundreds of inch (and maybe thousands 223 308 357 458). Ergo 40 caliber is .40 inches. Millimeter bores are the same thing expressed in mm. To convert just use standard metric to English conversion.

So 40 caliber = .40 inches (.4 X 25.4) = 10.16 mm

A 9 mm (9 / 25.4) = .354

So a 9 mm is actually smaller than a 38.

What calibers don't tell you is the overall power and lethelality of the round. For instance the 50 caliber machine gun you spoke of has a rather long bullet and huge cartridge. It looks more like a 20 mm cannon cartridge than a rifle round. A rifle round in any particular caliber will be more lethal than a pistol round, because you can pack a great charge. A weapon puts the same amount of energy into the shooter as it does the victim, it is just how it is spread out. In bullet it is rather concentrated.

So the caliber is only a small part of the story and it is often misleading. The powder charge and the mass of the bullet are factors. The muzzle velocity and muzzle energy are measures of those factors. Then there is bullet design. You want it to penetrate then mushroom out so it applies more energy rather than just blasting through.

The Matty Matel (M-16 so called because of the plastic stock's toy like appearance) of Vietnam has a 5.56 mm bore only .218 (the actual size is 5.7 or .224--why I am not sure) yet I would far rather get hit with serj's Glock. Light military weapons are often designed with the bizarre concept of creating rather nasty and incapacitating wounds without killing the victim. The idea being that wounded soldiers are a bigger problem to the enemy than dead ones. There are some Geneva Convention ideas on that as well, being more humane???????? OK.

Close range weapons such as serg's Glock have two conflicting criteria, stopping power and repeatability. I am no expert in close range pistol fire fights, but I was quite interested in this stuff as teenager. From what I can remember, a big huge round like a 45 packs a lot of punch but at the cost of recoil. In other words if you miss, your opponent now has the opportunity to shoot you while your hand and arm are reacting to the recoil. So what you need is a balance between knock down power and recoil. At one time the 9mm parabellum was considered the ideal. Today, I don't know, I haven't followed this stuff in 40 years. But from what I knew as a kid, I would rather have a 9mm than 44 magnum. You can pump 3 shots into your opponent while his arm is being flung by a .44 magnum.

Somewhere around the time that I grew old enough to actually use weapons, I grew extremely disinterested in them--probably due to an understanding of what the receiving end could do. Girls, which had been thoroughly yickey in my younger days, seemed to displace my interest in weapons--and the fact that I am still here to write this may to some extent be taken as proof that there may have been some wisdom in my choice.

Some where I have read that the 9 mm is the most lethel pistol round in the world based on body count. More people have died from 9 mm than any other pistol round. History of use of course is a big element. Obvously an imperfect round that has been around for 107 years is going to have killed more people than a perfect one designed 19 years ago.

The most lethal weapon in the world? Well in theory it is the Trident submarine. It packs the same fire power as 8 World War IIs. But in actual body count, the most lethal weapon in the history of the world is the AK47. As weapons go it is magnificent. It has killed more people than any other weapon in history from spears to nuclear bombs.**

Crap! I have just contributed to thread drift. But I enjoyed it, a bit of a blast from the past.

**EDIT: Alas on this last claim, I am having trouble proving that. I read it in some article commemorating the Xth? anniversary of the AK 47. I haven't been able to substantiate that claim.

Below is a photo comparing some common pistol rounds. Note the largest is the same caliber as the 50 caliber machine gun, but the mass of the projectile and powder charge is considerably less. Also note the relative longer casing lengths on the magnum rounds. Greater stopping power but a lot more kick. Serj's Glock uses the 40 SW, the third from the right. Below that is another photo comparing the 50 BMG (50 caliber Browning machine gun) to common rifle rounds. Use the 22 at the far right of both photos to compare the difference.

EDIT # 447: (I have been adding to this on and off all day. I forgot what a gun nut I used to be.) Here is something I often wondered. "The name Parabellum is derived from the Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum ("If you seek peace, prepare for war"), which was the motto and telegraphic address of DWM". Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken manufacturer of the Luger and the 9 mm parabellum.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_Parabellum


Given what I just read here, I believe that I would choose the 40 SW over both the 9mm and 44 magnum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_SW

However Serj, note the discussion on failures in Glocks.

Image Credit: Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CartridgeComparison.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison_w_scale.png

[Black Pearl]

I got to thinking which would be better being hit with a 5.56 mm from an M16 or getting hit with Serj's 40 caliber Glock.

Looking at the ballistics on Wikipedia for the least powerful rounds, the bullet from Serj's Glock has twice the mass of the M-16 round. But the M-16 has 3 times the muzzle velocity and muzzle energy. The weapons are designed for entirely different tasks. The M-16 to wound and incapacitate at range of 600 yards and the 40 S&W to knock down and kill at 30 feet.

So what's your preference, horribly maimed at 600 yards or down and dead at 30 feet. If I must choose, I prefer to get hit with Serj's Glock at 600 yards!

Somewhere I read (here comes another unsupported claim) that most people when hit by a gun shot, go into a psychic shock. There bodies drop and quit functioning not out of the actual physical trauma of the gunshot but rather from a overwhelming belief that they are shot and can't function. Yet in close quarter pistol fights one of the dangers of using light rounds is yes, you will kill the guy but not before he gets a chance to pop you as well. This is why some believe that you want a heavy slug that knocks your opponent down. But that comes at the price of repeatability. You have to hit him with the first shot or chances are good he is going to get you while you recover from the recoil. Shooting a second round too soon for you is doubly disasterous because now your hand and arm have even a greater distance to return for an accurate aim. Everything is balance.

[Serj22]

I prefer to get hit with Serj's Glock at 600 yards!



That would probably be best, since there's a chance of missing with one pull of the trigger. Wheras with a m16, you could have 3 chances of being hit from one pull... or similar... and at 600 yards, the 40 will be effected by the wind and corealis? (am I saying it right?)

[Black Pearl]

Close! Coriolis. Are bullets subject to the Coriolis effect? I suppose they are as all things are, but is it enough to make a difference? I think I would be more worried about the bullet hitting the ground due to the muzzle velocity not being sufficient to overcome gravity at 1800 feet. This requires shooting with a bit of elevation on the barrel--pretty tough shot at 600 yards with a pistol. But my thought experiment was that one is actually getting hit--by a stray if need be. Oh hell, it would still hurt.

[Radar24]

Nice write up BP.
Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask.

One thing I do not think was mentioned is that the lethality of the M-16 5.562 round is due the tumbling characteristics after the round enters the body. That being the other factor besides mass and grains of powder in the round. Were the round to enter and exit cleanly it would not do much more harm than a 22 LR. With more mass but about the same diameter the M-16 entry and exit hole would be about the same were it to not tumble as the 22 LR.

Another fictitious area often seen in the movies is a closely spaced pattern of two or more rounds when hit in fully automatic mode. The tendency of the spread of an automatic burst is to rotate clockwise and up. I have forgotten but at 100 meters about the closest an M-16 round could hit to the previous or following round is maybe 6 inches. Maybe more. Someone well trained maybe less. For the spacing to be closer you need higher rounds per minute count. This is very wasteful of ammo but extremely deadly. A real problem for the ammo supply. As BP mentioned, it is all a compromise based on the actual application. I wonder if this is related to coriolis as I do not quite understand what it is. As a function of the earth's rotation the pattern of hits rotates to the right. The upward motion is due to the small amount of recoil.

Is that about right?

Navy seal weapons I think have a higher rounds per minute rating since they normally face a highly trained foe. Laying down a close pattern of 3-5 rounds might be the best compromise in close quarter combat. Emtying a clip in seconds being the draw back.

With this in mind it was often recommended to be in single shot mode in order to not waste so much ammo. Clip changing time leaves one wide open too. So that is why one often sees no automatic action portrayed except for maybe laying down cover when moving from one place to another. That might have been the secret to my Rifle Expert badge when I saved rounds for the night fire by squeezing them off one by one during the day time portion. Forgetting about the long range targets I would probably never hit. Saving then for when you realy needed them and getting extra bonus points with a hit. I know for a fact that I missed several targets during the day. Who really knows, I have always been curious.

I agree with BP, this is all better experienced by proxy and not in real live. If one values their existence. Even in the best of ranges and conditions accidents happen. In actual combat all bets are off. Anything can happen.

An example of this was the recruit at the live fire range dropping a live grenade in the contraption designed to protect in just such cases. The grenade never went thru the hole into the protective chamber below. Sort of like not hitting the corner or side pocket in billiards. But with a live ball. I think the recruit froze while the instructor ducted for cover. As I mentioned before, it was not my thing! I passed.

There, that is about the extent of my ignorance on the subject matter. :confused: Not sure how dated it all is.

-Rg

[fillsteak]

"What does your user name mean?" got hijacked into a discussion about guns? I've not learned anything new about members' names!

Says the guy named after cheese steaks.

[whoa]

Nothing really, purely arbitrary.

[Radar24]

Whoa is not related to horses?

FYI the discussion was about ordinance. From grenades to pea shooters!

Next will be RPGs and guided missles! :D Eventually we will get around to cluster bombs.

The discussion might not say much about the name but it does about the person behind the name.

-Rg

[whoa]

Whoa is not related to horses?

I buy that and I stick by it;). Thanks Radar!

[Serj22]

So, what's everyone's favorite missile device? Mine would have to be the SCUD.:D

[Radar24]

I like the one they put on the Predator drone. I forgot what it is called. Light weight and it packs a punch!

-Rg

[electric V]

I have no real intention of blowing someone's brain's out, or ripping their leg off, I can take care of someone with a pea shooter, beleive me.

Pistol wip. Ouch hurts like hell

The rocket launcher from Iron Man the "Jerico Rocket". but for a real one maybe a NASA Space rocket. In WWII the Nazis created rocket propelled planes. They were incredibly fast and highly explosive because of the toxic chemicals on the plains and they when boom if by a high caliber machine gun. I can't rmemember the name it was something like Meteor###.

[Radar24]

German WWII Messerschmitt ME-163 Komet rocket plane. The ME-163 Komet was the first rocket fighter and the fastest fighter of the war.

http://www.mcmahanphoto.com/na205.html

That is another category. It is not a missile. It is an RPB. Rocket Propelled Bomb for the suicidal at heart. (I just made that up, RPB since they tended to blow up :eek:) I read at one point that the chances of landing one intact was about 10%. I think as documented by the Germans themselves before they skedaddled at the end of the war leaving only a few the planes abandoned in one piece. They were secretly shipped back too the US for dissection before the Russians got their paws on them. Yet the first prototype versions designed by both the US and Russia were almost identical.

I think they were relatively so much faster that they would overshoot the P51 Mustangs how would proceed to shoot them down if they were not initially hit by the M163. They must have been scary as hell when one would speed past your P51. As you sat in your P51, The plane that took only 90 days to design and became the worlds fastest propeller airplane, ever, setting all of the low altitude speed records for propeller driven airplanes even today.

An official hijack of a hijacked thread...,
-Rg

I forgot to mention, one version of the P-51 with a supercharged Rolls Royce Merlin V-12 engine had over 1600 hp! Forget the V6 and put that in you V!
As a side issue, specifically these high powered engine category is why the Synthetic oil was first developed in WWII. The engines would just not stay in one piece with normal oil for long. Not sure but maybe 100 hours or less instead of a few thousand hours before a scheduled complete overhaul. And you all thought the Vs are high maintenance!

[Radar24]

Another interesting tidbit:
A famous US test pilot (forgot who) was asked if he would fly the captured ME-163 knowing well its statistical successful landing rate of 10% (more or less) and he said when do I take off. I understand that he actually did land it. Not sure if it was all in one piece. What humongous cojones.

I think that the front take-off only wheel cradle stays on the ground when it takes off. The pilot has to turn around and make it back to the field it took off from. Gliding to the ground on it's belly without the front wheels and a dead stick! No second chances or an aborted first landing so you can try it again. A logistical nightmare in combat should the plane get hit or crippled! But having a tendency to blow up maybe landing on the same field with no power was not a high concern. :eek:

-Rg

[electric V]

In cub scouts I went on the U.S. Hornet aircraft carrier and they had a ton of pics of the P-51 and other stuff and the space capsule.

I think RPB is the apropriate title of the plane:D

[GTCB-chris]

thread moved, find new one in off topic chat. im cracking down on hijacking.

[GTCB-chris]

thread open again, i removed 47 posts worth of hijack.

[Radar24]

I commented that Whoa was related to horses. Whoa responded so it is.

This tread is now all segmented or broken up. :mad:

Where was I? I was lost before. Now... :)

-Rg

[Serj22]

I commented that Whoa was related to horses. Whoa responded so it is.

This tread is now all segmented or broken up. :mad:

Where was I? I was lost before. Now... :)

-Rg

You can start a new Rg! The slate has been wiped clean. All the other stuff was moved to another thread.

There are a few members i want to chime into this, because I am curious what their name is for, such as "some mook" and "lizzurd" and other people.

[lizzurd]

You can start a new Rg! The slate has been wiped clean. All the other stuff was moved to another thread.

There are a few members i want to chime into this, because I am curious what their name is for, such as "some mook" and "lizzurd" and other people.

Thanks Chris for bringing this thread back on track.

About 25 years ago a buddy of mine i used to hang out at the donut shop started calling my a lizard.

Year later when i finally went to set up my first email address every variation lizard i tried was already taken so i changed a letters and here i am.

Over the last 8 years i have used this name in countless chat rooms and forums.

I occasionally used dazednconfuzed or a variation.

[Serj22]

About 25 years ago a buddy of mine i used to hang out at the donut shop started calling my a lizard.


As in "lounge lizzard"? clever.

[whoa]

At Tim's no less :D

[lizzurd]

This thread has gone way off topic and closed for business.


A revamped "what does your user name mean? thread can be found here:

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7033


The Guns and Ammo part can be found here:

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6997