military warfare tactics and equipment thread

[electric V]

In cub scouts I went on the U.S. Hornet aircraft carrier and they had a ton of pics of the P-51 and other stuff and the space capsule.

I think RPB is the apropriate title of the plane:D

[Serj22]

In cub scouts I went on the U.S. Hornet aircraft carrier...

That's where the event of stealing the flags took place, well, the year after we had it on the Hornet, pretty cool.

[Radar24]

You mean the ME163 is an 'RPB'. Not the P-51.

There is something sexy about the P-51. Then the sound of the Rolls Royce engine is super cool too. All 1600 PH running smoothly in the V-12. Like a Ferrari or Maserati V-12. The Rolls Royce engines were probably one of the best made quality engines. What else would you expect.

If it would be possible to get my fat carcass in a P-51 and do a few barrel rolls, that would one item in my bucket list. Unfortunately it is a one seater only as far as I know. Never mind the high value of a flight worthy P-51.

Did you guys hear about the completely meticulously restored WWII plane that crashed lately? I think it was completely destroyed.

Not this one from '92. Take a look:

http://www.videovat.com/videos/517/vintage-plane-crash.aspx

-Rg

[Serj22]

Holy crap! I saw a problem the second that plane left the ground... stalling on takeoff. Bad piloting, or maybe a bad cable linkage. Or he got too excited to do a barrel roll and didn't wait till he was up in the air enough.

That is a terrible event. Such a pretty plane... hopefully everyone inside lived?

[Peacemaker1911]

"I cannot believe it! " I doubt the pilot lived, the plane landed on the cockpit

[Serj22]

Well, the video title says "our plane crashes" so I assume someone inside lived to title it that... could be wrong...

[Radar24]

The owners finance the plane but that does not necessarily mean they pilot them.

A plane like that depending on how scarce it was might be a mil and up to several $1M. I read a crashed plane recently sold for $7M+!

I doubt anyone lived unless they were in a fire suit and well belted in. Then out of there in seconds afterward. It does not look good to me. Fire suits are not normally worn to be closer to the period. That would be a jump suit at best.

-Rg

[Serj22]

Sad day for plane and person alike...

AS for the P51's being talked of earlier, didn't they also make a double mustang or something that had 2 cockpits and fuselages or something? I think it was a F87, or something like that. What was the point of that? Edit: FOund a pic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/F82_twin_mustang.jpg

[electric V]

Wow that is a nasty crash. I wreaked my RC plane 40ft into the ground strait down once when my wing broke after I crashed into a pole :D but I fixed it and it still flies.

One of my old next door neighbors used to be a stunt pilot and used to fly old planes but nothing that old. I have a game called "Secret Weapons Over Normandy" where you take charge over many WWII planes the P-51 is definatly one of the best planes to fly.

[Serj22]

One of my old next door neighbors used to be a stunt pilot and used to fly old planes but nothing that old. I have a game called "Secret Weapons Over Normandy" where you take charge over many WWII planes the P-51 is definatly one of the best planes to fly.

I'll have to disagree and say that the Spitfire V or IX are always the best planes in WWII shooters. Especially in Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII

[electric V]

I meant to say fun not best. It is easy to manuver and just fun to mess with. but I normally use the Messerschmitt Me 262 or the TIE fighter.

[electric V]

Well the game is made by Lucas Arts:rolleyes:.

The only bad thing about using the Tie fighter or the X wing us that you cant use any secondary weapon but they go like 700MPH:D

[electric V]

On the tropical planet Felusha (something like that) and had to defend the All Terrain Tactical Enforcer so that it didn't blow up and then I died:D and got a game over

[Radar24]

Maybe in the games but not in real life situations.

As far as the double cockpit P-51, at first glance I thought your picture was of the P-38 Lighting 'Forked Tail Devil'. But wait a minute, the P-38 had two sponsons but only one cockpit area in the middle. PhotoShop trick?

By Golly it is the P-82 or F-82. The last prop fighter plane made. Saw action in Korea and was responsible for the first three kills of the war so this article comments:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=182

-Rg

[Serj22]

You'd think they could have fit a co-pilot in the same cockpit? I guess not. The first bit says it was for long range, so I'm guessing it was so one could go to sleep while the other flew, but that may get confusing if some form of dogfight situation were to arise?

[Radar24]

lizzurd,
In dissecting the original off topic thread and splitting it up, what happened to the post with excellent pictures of the different cartridges. And all our related posts concerning weapons that preceded and followed it?

Certain longstanding members are rather upset that all their work evaporated. Myself, I wrote so much I have no idea how much of my stuff is missing if any.

-Rg

[Black Pearl]

It was restored here:

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6862&page=5

The photos are in post 48. And yes, I was the crazed maniacal whiner who flew off the deep end about deleted posts. Unfortunately the thread is closed and can not be posted to. Due to the fact the original thread was restored, I would ask that the locked thread be renamed something to the effect of "Hopelessly Hijacked Thread" and let it drift in the seven seas of general interest. I hate to say but I found the hijacked portion more interesting than the original thread.

[Radar24]

Precisely!
That is why I went with the flow and let it take us where it will.

-Rg

[Radar24]

Great list of all aircraft domestic and foreign made in order of production totals:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/aircraft_production_list.asp

Good reading of both details and interesting info on commercial and War machines.
I found it looking up the F-82/P-82. Only 273 were made.

In comparison only 59 of the F-117 Stealth fighter were made (in the public record. who really knows)
Only 32 SR-71 BlackjBird were made.

Great historical info from 1900 to date for each type without a concentration on armament.

-Rg

[electric V]

Wow Radar that is so cool.

I am amazed that there were less than 15,000 Hawker Hurricanes built. They were made of more canvas than metal if I remember correctly and I would think that it would be easier to produce than the P-51.

I also think that it is wierd that there were more Ju-88's made than the Stuka Ju-87's. I think that the Stukas were built first and there would be more of them allthough the Ju-88's were bigger and had a much larger carring capacity

and who came up with this name? Douglas B-26K Counter Invader / A-26A Nimrod

[Serj22]

I'm sure "Nimrod" meant something else way back when...

[Radar24]

Wow Radar that is so cool.

I am amazed that there were less than 15,000 Hawker Hurricanes built. They were made of more canvas than metal if I remember correctly and I would think that it would be easier to produce than the P-51.

I also think that it is weird that there were more Ju-88's made than the Stuka Ju-87's. I think that the Stukas were built first and there would be more of them although the Ju-88's were bigger and had a much larger caring capacity


Yes the Hawker Hurricane had a canvas over internal metal tubing framed coinstruction and might have been of a lower/simpler tech. But the resources of Great Britain were no where near as extensive as the US' once the US entered the war. The US had essentially manufacturing superior in number and size facilities manned with lots of women (womaned???) power that were not being bombed. BTW not counting the rivets, a stressed skin aluminum construction might have less components than one with an internal tubing frame. Not sure about that. I guess it all depends on how large the stressed skin components are.

So even though the Hurricane saw service 3 years earlier, the US started cranking Mustangs out in 1942 for US in addition to British use once they saw how well they performed. I looks like it was a joint US/British effort with the basic design requirements being British according to the description. There was also an Australian production version under US license built in the late 1940s. Then there was a limited production run in 1967 for counter insurgency (Viet Nam???). By the late '40s the US was concentrating on it's twin successor, the longer range F-82 Twin Mustang. With the exception of the '67 production run, the US moved on to turbo props and jets and stopping production of the Mustang in 1946 completing the production of all 15,469 Mustangs. Originally coined the XP-51 then the P-51, with the formation of the USAF, the designation changed to F-51. The P indicating Pursuit while the F was for Fighter. "The F-51 soldiered on in the newfound air force branch though the type was slowly being relegated to supportive roles behind the new-fangled jets arriving on the scene."

The cold war race for fighter jet superiority (US F-__ versus the MIG-__) left very little resources for a prop fighter such as the P-51. Not to mention the race for the first to the moon! However use of the F-51 continued by other countries including Israel which used the P-51 as late as in the 1956 Arab/Israeli war.

-Rg