[2017GunmetalCRV]

Update: Thye ran a fuel test at the same time as checking the camshaft issue and finally saw that 3 out of 4 injectors where throwing a code. Looks like they are replacing those at the same time as they replace the camshaft. My dealer has been great to work with. They got me a rental while they wait on parts and do the work. Everything so far has been under warranty. Hopefully no surprise bill when I pick it up tomorrow morning.

Very fortunate bc the warranty extension specifically covers plugs and camshaft, but not the injectors. It was a huge battle of numerous phone calls with Honda Corp just to get them to cover the parts. Most owners experienced either full denial, or some goodwill to cover just the parts.

 

[williamsji]

To help with discussion in this particular thread, when making any reference to "warranty" please be specific. Please help avoid discussion forum confusion and needless additional posts to clarify confusions.

- There is a factory warranty (3/36) that covers virtually anything and everything. This includes starter batteries, but does not include tires which are covered under the tire manufacturers warranty.

- There is also a power train warranty (5/60), which covers major internal component failures of the power train.

- There is an emissions warranty, actually two different types depending on the state you live in. If you live in one of 13 states that have adopted California emissions standards, you get a much richer warranty coverage of 7/70 AND it covers any engine components that can or are contributing to higher than normal emissions. For this discussion, that would include the fuel injectors and their rail.

- For Gen5 CRVs there is a separate letter from Honda granting a limited extension of the power train warranty to 6 years/unlimited miles. This warranty does NOT cover the injectors.. it's been tested and found consistently to not apply as far as Honda corporate is concerned. This warranty letter gets pulled out and put on the table often in discussion, without actually reading and understanding what it covers, and what it does not. It is useless for the fuel injector issue.

- And then there is the HondaCare extended warranty. This warranty has a number of different options available, but generally is a 7/70 or 8/100 warranty that covers just about everything in the vehicle other than normal wear components, and body or paint defects not attributable to a manufacturing defect. [Honestly these are sold as such favorable prices by some dealers online now days, I think any owner who pays 30K+ for a new Honda would be foolish not to spend $1000-1200 for a HondaCare policy. It represents ~3% of your purchase price to buy one, and will more than pay for itself on a single claim in most cases.

Honestly the exception letter from Honda extending the power train warranty for certain components was always about building confidence with owners, not materially addressing any possible engine issue. It very much appears to be written to account for the small number of owners who may have experienced early cam failure in their engines.

 

[MikulB]

Four weeks ago we had a Check Engine Light on our 2018 CR-V EX-L with just under 45,000 miles. The diagnosis was Code P219D - For Air Fuel Ratio Variation, Misfire #2 & #3. The fix was fuel injectors replacement under the Emissions Warranty. The cost could have been well over $1000 since the injector set is about $500 alone. I also have a Honda Care 96 mos / 120,000 mile policy that I think would have covered it had it not been for the Emissions Warranty. At any rate, in and out of the dealership in just about 2.5 hours.

 

[bcuinohio]

I am having the same issue. Car runs rough when started. All of the warning lights go off. Dealer said it was fuel injectors. I have Honda Care so it’s covered but they are waiting on a part. It’s been about a month. My service advisor told me it is a tube connected to the fuel injectors that usually breaks when replacing injectors. Hope it comes soon.

 

[NemoFan]

I have a 2017 EXL and had the same issue with all the lights coming on, same code P0172 . I contacted Honda, they had me have my dealership submit a Goodwill form to Honda and they accepted and covered the cost of the $1,400 fuel injector replacement. I did have to pay $100 toward that. I had roughly 60,000 miles on my car and had them replaced in March of 2021. I have had no problems with the lights at all since the replacement. Definitely worth looking into the goodwill gesture.

 

[userdude54]

What would be, a good injector cleaner, for instance...
Or is it necessary ?

 

[williamsji]

What would be, a good injector cleaner, for instance...
Or is it necessary ?

I would never use injector cleaners on DI injectors. Honda does not recommend it, though apparently some dealers do (then again some dealers still peddle the "change your oil at 3000 miles too).

 

[userdude54]

I would never use injector cleaners on DI injectors. Honda does not recommend it, though apparently some dealers do (then again some dealers still peddle the "change your oil at 3000 miles too).

Thank you

 

[1tljacobs]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Honda is currently running through the procedures listed in the TBS. They did say the P0172 code had been thrown. They are going to check spark plugs next I guess. Since we have had the car less than 3 years, but are over the mileage limit I think it is worth trying to go down the Goodwill Warranty path to see what might come of it.

This seems to be an ongoing problem with the 1.5 turbo engine, we have a 2017 CRV
and started around 80,000 miles all warning lights on, now has about 83,000. I, like
others have read about everything related to this problem, but it seems there is not
a one specific cure for this problem. I have heard everything from loose ground wire,
to spark plugs, to 02 sensors, fuel injectors, air filter, bad gas, battery, oil change,
and the list goes on. I am a retired mechanic and do about all my own repairs and all I can
do is list the things I have tried and the codes I get when my warning lights go crazy.
I have replaced plugs, cleaned MAF sensor, fuel injector cleaner and high test gas,
battery Check, all ground cables checked, The only code I have ever got is the PO172
which is rich fuel mixture, I will know in a few weeks if any of this works, my own
opinion is probably not, I think the problem in about every case is fuel injectors,
but Honda is not going to warranty these after the standard warranty is gone.

Here is my experience with Honda related to the fuel injectors...We have a 2017 CR-V with 127k miles, and we started seeing the all systems alarming while the car was idling for an extended period (wife stays in the car while I run into a store). I would pull the trouble code and it was "too rich bank one" or P0172. This went on for a while, then got worse, and was accompanied by the "Emmissions System Problem" or P219F I believe, and a noticeable rich smell. We also had a battery issue in the middle of all of this, which Honda felt was a cause, which it was not. I finally dropped the car off again this week and was met with "you need 4 new injectors, they are all running rich". I had to bring up the TSB related to the direct injection, so they went down that path a bit. Problem is that the code listed in the TSB was not currently on the vehicle. I have pulled the P0172 numerous times, should have let it set before taking it in, but did not. We also have the whirling noise listed in the TSB. They went through the service bulletin and completed the tasks based on the codes they saw. The injector failure is not covered under the extended warranty, and was told by Honda that there are no campaigns related to injectors for our vehicle. I was met with a $1800 bill for the work, which I feel is excessive, but it is what it is. If I knew they would not consider a warranty for this problem, I would have taken to another shop and potentially saved several hundred dollars. My wife said the car runs and sounds much better, hoping this takes care of the issue.

 

[userdude54]

some dealers still peddle the "change your oil at 3000 miles too).

That's funny , that you mentioned that subject ....
I received e-mails from Honda Canada , my oil is at 1500 Kms , & I've been requested ,to book an appointment, for an oil change...
The computer ,went from 40% , to 5 % , usage in a matter of weeks..

Thank you

 

[chidog]

Before anyone spends more on this problem. I remember years ago that all emissions related repairs are covered for 10 years for free. That I thought was some federal law. Its something that should be looked into. Maybe a refund?

https://www.ncconsumer.org/news-articles-eg/federal-extended-emissions-warranties-are-often-forgotten-or-overlooked.html

 

[williamsji]

Before anyone spends more on this problem. I remember years ago that all emissions related repairs are covered for 10 years for free. That I thought was some federal law. Its something that should be looked into. Maybe a refund?

https://www.ncconsumer.org/news-articles-eg/federal-extended-emissions-warranties-are-often-forgotten-or-overlooked.html

North Carolina is NOT one of the states that adopted California clean emissions standards and the long term warranty requirements that come with that. See this, for example: States Adopting California's Clean Cars Standards

California's emissions warranty coverage makes the federal one look very anemic.

Why it matters? Because of this statement on the page you linked:

• Your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has less than 24,000 miles (up to 8 years/80,000 miles for specified major components)

A lot of components that go into a clean vehicle operation are NOT included in the federal 8/80K. Under the California required warranty, almost any component that has remotely anything to do with emissions is included. The page you linked does not make it clear what line items on the federal component warranty list are 2/24 vs 8/80.

 

[prasadghanta]

My 2018 CRV with 38K miles had the same issue where all warning lights showed up with P0301 error code. Fortunately WA state requires 7 yr / 70K warranty on emissions related parts which covers fuel injectors. Honda wanted to try valve adjustment before replacing fuel injectors but valve adjustment did not fix the issue, changing fuel injectors did.

 

[hkpga]

Got in my 2017 CRV with 94,000 miles yesterday afternoon and started and all the dashboard lights were flashing. Called my Honda and they said get it there and they would work in in. Issue came back as "Fuel Injectors".

I let service person know I had a warranty I purchased from Saccucci Honda, she promptly got on phone and called and the $1,300 cost for new fuel injectors was approved in about 3 minutes. I was always leary about these warranties, but this paid off. Picked up CRV this morning and all is good!

HKPGA

 

[Jayceegee]

That's good news. Perhaps you could let the forum know what year, trim level, mileage and other informative issues pertain to your CR-V.

 

[Mike728]

That's good news. Perhaps you could let the forum know what year, trim level, mileage and other informative issues pertain to your CR-V.

From the OP's profile:

Model Year 2017
Model 2WD EX 5AT
Color Satin Silver Metallic

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Baffles me to no end why people miss pinned threads on this. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Threads merged.

 

[jayweiss]

The way Honda alerts you to a Fuel Injector problem is to go into this STUPID ALL ALERTS mode. I had this issue about a month ago and the error code they found indicated an issue with the fuel injectors. MY 2017 CR-V had 132,000 on it and was outside the 120,000 mile extended warranty. It cost about $1,300 (USD) to get them replaced. No problems since. The car is definitely running better and getting better fuel economy.

The BIG issue I have is the way the error is displayed. I get that this is a serious engine damaging issue, but how about parking a warning across the screen and allow the remaining systems to function. As far as I can tell ALL the other safety system were disabled by this issue. The fact the there is never a message relating to the actual problem is frustrating.

 

[williamsji]

The way Honda alerts you to a Fuel Injector problem is to go into this STUPID ALL ALERTS mode. I had this issue about a month ago and the error code they found indicated an issue with the fuel injectors. MY 2017 CR-V had 132,000 on it and was outside the 120,000 mile extended warranty. It cost about $1,300 (USD) to get them replaced. No problems since. The car is definitely running better and getting better fuel economy.

The BIG issue I have is the way the error is displayed. I get that this is a serious engine damaging issue, but how about parking a warning across the screen and allow the remaining systems to function. As far as I can tell ALL the other safety system were disabled by this issue. The fact the there is never a message relating to the actual problem is frustrating.

The Honda alert systems and lights are all co-linked in many ways (the systems all have to work together to run the engine), simply because many systems are interacting with one another and when one goes bad.. it can confuse other systems (like your ECU, etc) and that results in multiple system alerts. Keep in mind, none of us has any idea exactly what is happening across the vehicles systems when the injectors malfunction, but we all have to embrace the fact that everything involved under the hood is pretty inter-related in these modern vehicles.

Given there is no alert light for "bad injectors", how exactly would you expect the vehicle to alert you that there is something wrong and you need to pay attention and have it diagnosed? There will be stored codes in the OBDII, but even then... proper troubleshooting is required to determine if the cause is plugs, or injectors, or the fuel system.

Honestly, a massive light show on the dash will generally get most drivers attention and encourage them to not ignore it. Granted, it can also induce panic or fear.. but that should pass quickly in a mature adult.

 

[RandomWisdom]

New to this issue.
2017 CRV EX-L purchased new. Live in major metro area so lots of miles & start/stop traffic.
Recently serviced @ 111,895 miles (3wks prior to this issue coming up). Morning commute just fine then problem accelerating from full stop at stoplight when turned green. Partial loss of power then dashboard lights up.
No problems with driving just constant warning lights, no driver assist, etc. After a few minutes, no problem with acceleration but warnings persist
Have had all recommended service (except tires) done at dealership - great folks BTW. Have known service writer for as long as I've had my CR-V.
Honda had it for two days & said P0172 error on all 4 cylinders - too rich. $2100 to replace fuel injectors.
Not happy with estimate.
No charge.
Asked them to clear codes & I'd pick up the vehicle.
CR-V ran fine.
Went to independent mechanic. Mileage at 113,505. They found loose clamp connection downstream of mass airflow sensor. They checked mass airflow for debris - clean. Checked spark plugs - clean (no signs of running rich). Said previous tech might have bumped something loose or didn't tighten something else or maybe didn't clear some code or flag & that that eventually caused the software to think there was a fuel injection problem.
Recommended to run premium fuel for a couple of tankfuls & come back if any problems.
Said to NOT put fuel injector cleaner in gas - anything it dissolves/loosens could actually clog fuel injectors. Advised that it was better to keep up with regular maintenance & avoid crappy gas.
No charge.
Will keep going back to dealership - when I went to pick up my CR-V, they did take time to look up if there were any recalls, warranties, etc. they could possibly apply. Had service manager come out & talk to me & double check coverage, warranties, etc.
CR-V runs fine & will keep tabs on it.