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My lease expires in March. I've always gone with the Touring in the past (I'm a gadget freak), so I guess this time it'll be between the EX-L (the highest gas trim) and the Sport Touring. I'm mostly a low-mileage city driver with an annual 1200-mile road trip, so I'm not sure how worth it the hybrid would be. Then again, the Touring has all the tech...

I suppose when I get closer to March I'll ask what the lease prices for the two models will be, and see how much of a premium the hybrid will be.
 

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I have been awaiting this announcement, as I expected to trade in my current CRV for the New Model. But unless I am missing something, this is what I see…
1. Minimal new features.
2. Higher cost.
3. No MPG improvement.
4. Even on the $40K Touring, lacking several luxuries of its competitors (Pano Roof, Heads Up Display, Ventilated Seats).
5. However, it is a nice redesign on the outside.

Can someone inform me of something I might be missing here?
 

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I have been holding off trading in my CRV for this announcement. But unless I am missing something, this is what I see…
1. Substantially higher cost.
2. Minimal new features.
3. No MPG improvement.
4. Even on the $40K Touring, lacking several luxuries of its competitors (Pano Roof, Heads Up Display, Ventilated Seats).
5. However, it is a nice redesign on the outside.

Can someone inform me of something I might be missing here?
The Touring model is pretty damn close is proving to the 2022 Hybrid Touring. Some were predicting a substantial price increase.
 

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I have been awaiting this announcement, as I expected to trade in my current CRV for the New Model. But unless I am missing something, this is what I see…
1. Substantially higher cost.
2. Minimal new features.
3. No MPG improvement.
4. Even on the $40K Touring, lacking several luxuries of its competitors (Pano Roof, Heads Up Display, Ventilated Seats).
5. However, it is a nice redesign on the outside.

Can someone inform me of something I might be missing here?
How about:
all updated electronics systems, particularly a much much improved head unit
refined tuning on the 1.5T to give it more oomph at lower rpm
improved HondaSensing, with new safety features and new capabilities
new styling and a much more refined cabin interior

And that is what I see without even kicking the tires on one at a dealership.

But if you are just into styling, and vanity features (simply must have one of those problematic pano roofs) .... then you probably should shop outside the Honda lineup.
 

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Honestly it does not look like pricing has moved up all that much on the new gen6. About what we typically see from generation to generation over the years. Each of the trims are better equipped than their predecessors, so it would appear that Honda is accelerating the pulling forward of features that used to only be available on the top trims.,

The one outlier is the Sport Touring... which is clearly meant to be an expensive top end hybrid offering by Honda. It's price is notably higher than the rest of the models. I really thought Honda was eliminated these odd high end trims as part of their simplifying the brand program by the Honda CEO. So makes me wonder what marketing chimp in Honda US got them to make the Sport Touring trim.

It would appear that Honda is adopting the "Sport" label for all their hybrids. I'm just not sure where they are going with this approach branding wise... but I guess time will tell.
 

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How about:
all updated electronics systems, particularly a much much improved head unit
refined tuning on the 1.5T to give it more oomph at lower rpm
improved HondaSensing, with new safety features and new capabilities
new styling and a much more refined cabin interior

And that is what I see without even kicking the tires on one at a dealership.

But if you are just into styling, and vanity features (simply must have one of those problematic pano roofs) .... then you probably should shop outside the Honda lineup.
So according to your post, the updates are a new display screen, refined RPM tuning, Hondasensing and new ext/int styling?

I’m not just into styling and my post actually implies that. I said the new redesign is nice to look at. It was the impression I get from the details, that behind the new styling is a lack of new substance, that will now cost more than 22 and lacks items that competitors offer for same price.
 

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So according to your post, the updates are a new display screen, refined RPM tuning, Hondasensing and style?
Please read my comment again, rather than marginalizing it through cherry picking.

I specifically said ALL UPDATED ELECTRONICS SYSTEMS, not just the head unit. :rolleyes: That may not matter to you, but it will matter to most owners who expect something better than 7 year old electronics systems when buying a new vehicle. This is probably the most significant updates in gen6, but of course many of them work quietly behind the scenes and so you as a driver may be oblivious.

Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy one, and you clearly do not see the value... so I suggest moving on then. :)
 

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The Touring model is pretty damn close is proving to the 2022 Hybrid Touring. Some were predicting a substantial price increase.
Thanks.
Please read my comment again, rather than marginalizing it through cherry picking.

I specifically said ALL UPDATED ELECTRONICS SYSTEMS, not just the head unit. :rolleyes: That may not matter to you, but it will matter to most owners who expect something better than 7 year old electronics systems when buying a new vehicle.

Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy one, and you clearly do not see the value... so I suggest moving on then. :)
I asked if I was missing anything. I then asked you if I had your overview correctly. Please don’t get defensive, I appreciate your reply. It’s deff a meh update. Will have to decide if to keep current CRV now, when I did not expect to do that.
 

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I asked if I was missing anything. I then asked you if I had your overview correctly. Don’t get defensive, I appreciate your reply. It’s deff a meh update. Will have to decide if to keep current CRV now, when I did not expect to do that.
I responded to your very deliberate theme of "they are way more expensive, but don't appear to be much different". A characterization I disagree with.

Pointing out that you deliberately skipped the most important line item in my original reply to you is not being defensive, it is correcting the record, since you completely skipped past it. ;)

I am positive there are literally hundreds of incremental updates and improvements in the gen6 Honda.... as is always the case with the CRV brand when a new generation is rolled out. The CRV is in it's sixth generation now, and at such point in time, model updates are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

Bottom line, I would suggest stop arm-chair condemning a model you have not actually had a chance to see the full specs on yet, and actually sit in one and test drive it. Are you in the market for a new CRV, or is all this rhetorical?
 

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Honestly it does not look like pricing has moved up all that much on the new gen6. About what we typically see from generation to generation over the years. Each of the trims are better equipped than their predecessors, so it would appear that Honda is accelerating the pulling forward of features that used to only be available on the top trims.,

The one outlier is the Sport Touring... which is clearly meant to be an expensive top end hybrid offering by Honda. It's price is notably higher than the rest of the models. I really thought Honda was eliminated these odd high end trims as part of their simplifying the brand program by the Honda CEO. So makes me wonder what marketing chimp in Honda US got them to make the Sport Touring trim.

It would appear that Honda is adopting the "Sport" label for all their hybrids. I'm just not sure where they are going with this approach branding wise... but I guess time will tell.
They had previously announced that in the US, the "Sport" would be the hybrid models, which I agree is not consistent with their use for other models, especially the HR-V which is also all-new for 2023. But the pricing for that model is pretty equivalent to the pricing for the 2022 Hybrid Touring, which is good. Also, the jump from the EX-L to the Touring is equivalent to the previous jump from gas to hybrid for 2022 models, even with additional upgrades from EX-L to Touring...
 

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2. Higher cost.
This should come as no surprise. All car OEMs hike prices for new models.

4. Even on the $40K Touring, lacking several luxuries of its competitors (Pano Roof, Heads Up Display, Ventilated Seats).
Honda has Acura to consider - and not water down their offerings.

Thankfully for us in the UK/Europe, we'll get those features you mentioned as there is no Acura here - although we'll not only have to wait over 12 months for the 6G to arrive, we will get battered on price and also get a Plug-In Hybrid option too - something the US/Canada wont be getting (at launch anyway!).
 

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“The CR-V's new pricing now makes it the most expensive crossover in the segment. The Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, Mazda CX-50, Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, Subaru Forester and Chevy Equinox all start under $30,000 including destination charge. Some of those models, such as the CX-50 and Forester, offer standard AWD, too. Pricing narrows with the hybrid, but the CR-V hybrid is still more expensive than competitors such as the RAV4 Hybrid, Escape Hybrid, Tucson Hybrid and Sportage Hybrid. The RAV4 and Tucson both offer standard all-wheel drive with their hybrids, too.”
 

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“The CR-V's new pricing now makes it the most expensive crossover in the segment. The Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, Mazda CX-50, Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, Subaru Forester and Chevy Equinox all start under $30,000 including destination charge. Some of those models, such as the CX-50 and Forester, offer standard AWD, too. Pricing narrows with the hybrid, but the CR-V hybrid is still more expensive than competitors such as the RAV4 Hybrid, Escape Hybrid, Tucson Hybrid and Sportage Hybrid. The RAV4 and Tucson both offer standard all-wheel drive with their hybrids, too.”
Do you have the source for this quote?
 

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Atypical stale word salad by the motoring press by taking the official press release and staining it with their bias and baloney.

Pricing is even higher if a buyer so opts to buy a German marque - so the relevance of adding in all those rival cars, sans specs, was useless and deliberate obfuscation.
 
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