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Seems like a very trusty website.

84 reports of engine troubles for a vehicle that has 1,000 sold a day.
That stat brings little comfort to those with the issue.

Three thoughts:

1) There definitely is an issue for many CRVs. As you likely know China stopped all sales of the CRV with our 1.5T engine until the excessive oil dilution is resolved.

2) Unless a CRV owner has a cabin heat issue or checks/changes their own oil - they will have no idea if they have an oil dilution issue - until slowly progressing engine wear causes a failure down the road.

3) Perception is reality. Even if there are thousands of CRVs without the issue - many used car buyers down the road will avoid our cars for fear they'd be getting one with the problem. This would reduce demand and reduce the trade-in value of our CRVs - even if they don't have the issue. Nothing we can do at this point other than hope for the best and manage our expectations regarding trade-in value and longevity.
 

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Seems like a very trusty website.

84 reports of engine troubles for a vehicle that has 1,000 sold a day.
Also to be considered is that how many of those affected by this problem will take the time to go to this website and post the problem? I am sure this number will grow as there are 1K complaints for the 17's & 611 to date for the 18's. I cannot tell you how many owners I have talked to about this situation that have no idea of the problem until told. They have all thanked me for sending the websites etc explaining what is going on. However when they approach the dealer they are getting the cold stare like they have not heard of it. Meanwhile these vehicles are still being sold? The government here in Canada & US should follow the China directive. How are dealers still able to sell without at least informing the customer beforehand? Honda & Hyundai/Kia should be forced to relate the issues beforehand. This situation is going to bite them in the butt and the fallout could be disastrous. I mean if you knew in advance that the local restaurant was known for selling tainted meat and leftovers would you go there for supper? I realize that not everyone is having the issue but it seems as though the percentage is growing and the fact that customers are purchasing these vehicles with the possibility of this known issue being a real problem down the road is just not right. I have sent all of the details to a number of possible customers that are currently shopping and they in turn have done the same. At least they have the detail in advance and can make their own decision moving forward.
 

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That stat brings little comfort to those with the issue.

Three thoughts:

1) There definitely is an issue for many CRVs. As you likely know China stopped all sales of the CRV with our 1.5T engine until the excessive oil dilution is resolved.

2) Unless a CRV owner has a cabin heat issue or checks/changes their own oil - they will have no idea if they have an oil dilution issue - until slowly progressing engine wear causes a failure down the road.

3) Perception is reality. Even if there are thousands of CRVs without the issue - many used car buyers down the road will avoid our cars for fear they'd be getting one with the problem. This would reduce demand and reduce the trade-in value of our CRVs - even if they don't have the issue. Nothing we can do at this point other than hope for the best and manage our expectations regarding trade-in value and longevity.
1. Yes we all know that
2. We don't have enough info to come to any conclusions yet
3. There is no proof that trade-in has been affected and demand is increasing. Even after all reports of dilution
 

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1. Yes we all know that
2. We don't have enough info to come to any conclusions yet
3. There is no proof that trade-in has been affected and demand is increasing. Even after all reports of dilution
Respectfully disagree -

Regarding point 2: There is no doubt that there are many people who have the issue but haven't noticed it because they don't check or change their own oil. Most car owners NEVER open their hood - they just take it to the mechanic when the dashboard light or message tells them to - or if there is an obvious problem. It's pretty clear that Honda mechanics are not telling their CRV oil change customers that "By the way, your old oil was diluted with gas which will cause your engine will wear out faster than normal."

Regarding point 3: History has demonstrated that a vehicle with a poor reliability reputation is much lower in demand in the used car market. Econ 101 tells us that lower demand equates to lower price. Accordingly, unless Honda is able to resolve this issue (which may be impossible if it is due to a design flaw) the GEN 5's reputation will suffer in the next 1-3 years - which will result in depressed values for our trade-ins. Do you remember what happened to the earlier Odysseys with the weak transmission? They were raked over the coals in reviews and their values didn't hold as well as normal in the used car market.
 

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Ref: Lifetime warranty on China's CR-Vs?

Some of you may recall I have a friend, who has a friend who can read Chinese. He said he would be seeing her at the end of Feb but when I followed up on that he replied, "I won’t be seeing her for a few weeks." I told him I was still very interested to know exactly what Honda is doing there.

dbler I agree with your comments.
 

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The definition of Clunker sure has changed in the automotive industry.
 

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Respectfully disagree -

Regarding point 2: There is no doubt that there are many people who have the issue but haven't noticed it because they don't check or change their own oil. Most car owners NEVER open their hood - they just take it to the mechanic when the dashboard light or message tells them to - or if there is an obvious problem. It's pretty clear that Honda mechanics are not telling their CRV oil change customers that "By the way, your old oil was diluted with gas which will cause your engine will wear out faster than normal."

Regarding point 3: History has demonstrated that a vehicle with a poor reliability reputation is much lower in demand in the used car market. Econ 101 tells us that lower demand equates to lower price. Accordingly, unless Honda is able to resolve this issue (which may be impossible if it is due to a design flaw) the GEN 5's reputation will suffer in the next 1-3 years - which will result in depressed values for our trade-ins. Do you remember what happened to the earlier Odysseys with the weak transmission? They were raked over the coals in reviews and their values didn't hold as well as normal in the used car market.
#2 There is no proof that engine wear is a major issue at this point. The oil UOAs on here show almost no wear metals and fall within typical UOAs besides fuel dilution
#3 Again, Trade Ins and retail prices have not budged one bit. One of our CRVs was totaled and the payout was based on local retail and sold vehicles. It was quite high for 14 months of ownership.

Like I said above, we don't have proof of anything at this point. There is definitely an issue, but we don't know the long term effects yet. Drawing conclusions has been a real problem on here and it will continue till we have long term data.
 

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1. Yes we all know that
2. We don't have enough info to come to any conclusions yet
3. There is no proof that trade-in has been affected and demand is increasing. Even after all reports of dilution

Using your standard of thinking.....

1. There is "no proof" that we all know that. Please ask everyone and get back to us.
2. Please ask everyone before making conclusions for the rest of us.
3. Please let us know when you have checked every possible measurable before claiming there is no proof.
 

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Seems like a very trusty website.

84 reports of engine troubles for a vehicle that has 1,000 sold a day.
Yeah it just sounds a bit odd. It would be interesting to see what they had to say about cars with more than 84 complaints in the past. BTW the 2018 only has 40 complaints and is lumped into the same category.

It is obvious that they either have no idea how to calculate out statistical failure rates or they are banking on the numbers being higher than their own data suggests.


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At one level, yes I am concerned about resale value. I do fear at some point this OD problem will become an inhibitor (or at least a consideration) in a resale. On the other hand, I had owned one of "those" German cars that always over the decades have had issues to even recently to criminal charges. People still ooh, and ah over them. Heck, even CR's Talking Cars folks seem to ignore their past faults as the seemly admire them today. Go figure.... LOL

So most folks don't know or don't care, it seems. And Honda know this too. Ignorance is bless to a car manufactures. I just hope the CR-V holds it resale value to the 2020 RAV4 Hybrid (yes, done with the first model year for even Toyota) is out and and some good reviews. Then unless this OD issues dies or is fixed, I think it will be prudent to dump it.
 

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That stat brings little comfort to those with the issue.

Three thoughts:

1) There definitely is an issue for many CRVs. As you likely know China stopped all sales of the CRV with our 1.5T engine until the excessive oil dilution is resolved.

2) Unless a CRV owner has a cabin heat issue or checks/changes their own oil - they will have no idea if they have an oil dilution issue - until slowly progressing engine wear causes a failure down the road.

3) Perception is reality. Even if there are thousands of CRVs without the issue - many used car buyers down the road will avoid our cars for fear they'd be getting one with the problem. This would reduce demand and reduce the trade-in value of our CRVs - even if they don't have the issue. Nothing we can do at this point other than hope for the best and manage our expectations regarding trade-in value and longevity.
Regarding #2. That was a year ago and they started production up after an acceptable fix was released. There has not been many if any posts about how well the fix did in China. That in itself is unusual considering how many people initially complained
 

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I guess that explains why it's won numerous awards and it's sales are up 10% this year over last year.
Since very few people check/change their own oil they will be blissfully unaware if the OD becomes excessive and potentially damaging to their engine - that is of course until engine problems arise after several years of ownership. With Honda now saying they've addressed the issue (which appears questionable), the official car reviewers and optimistic current and potential owners will want to believe it - - - at least for now. Time will tell...
 

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1. Yes we all know that
2. We don't have enough info to come to any conclusions yet
3. There is no proof that trade-in has been affected and demand is increasing. Even after all reports of dilution
#2. We may want to follow this post as it may determine if this is one of the "Whirring Sound" issues to watch for in TSB 147.

https://www.crvownersclub.com/forum...9-fluttery-sound-engine-2017-touring-awd.html

#3. I am sure this will become more evident as time goes on. Once dealers start to hear of the situation the values will be affected I am sure.
 

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The first OD thread here was about the long since resolved China report. It was posted by a RAV4 owner perhaps a troll.
Biggest RAV4 complaint excessive oil consumption.
 

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Regarding #2. That was a year ago and they started production up after an acceptable fix was released. There has not been many if any posts about how well the fix did in China. That in itself is unusual considering how many people initially complained
Glad to hear sales have started again in China. BUt would love to hear if their fix is working better than what many owners over here with the3 issue have reported. I really want this issue put to bed so I can feel confident keeping my CRV as long as I usually keep my cars (10-12 years). At least with the HondaCare warranty I purchased after finding out about this issue I know it'll be covered fr 8 years / 120k miles - that is a bit of peace of mind for $1,170.
 

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The first OD thread here was about the long since resolved China report. It was posted by a RAV4 owner perhaps a troll.
Biggest RAV4 complaint excessive oil consumption.
Our Audi Q5 has a direct injection engine and ironically it uses about 1/2 quart of oil between changes - always has since we bought it. I was stunned when the dealer mechanic told me that was the nature of that high compression engine - but have since accepted it and keep an extra quart of oil for topping it off between oil changes. Perhaps I will have to accept that Honda's engine just likes to mix the gas and oil.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Gen 5 OD issue hides an oil burning issue. Every once and a while I see blue exhaust after starting up. It could partially answer how some claim they don't have an OD problem.

An added resale bummer would be Honda never resolving the 2017-2019 OD issue and instead comes out with a new and updated 1.5L engine.
 
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