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I still can't quite get over how much faster and more responsive the Civic feels compared to the CR-V. The CVT in the Civic also feels more precise and less "rubberbandy" than the CR-V if that makes any sense and there seems to be quite a bit less throttle lag off the line. Is this consistent with everyone else's experience or is it possible there could be something about mine making it sluggish?
 

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I still can't quite get over how much faster and more responsive the Civic feels compared to the CR-V.
The CRV is...
- 500 lbs heavier
- Over 10 inches taller
- Taller tire sidewalls
- Higher drag coefficient (more wind resistance)
- Higher center of gravity

These are a few of the reasons the CRV feels slower and less responsive.
 

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But with the AWD, the CRV has better handling.
Not to turn this into another AWD thread, but this statement is simply not true.
The AWD system in these types of vehicles does NOT provide better handling than the FWD equivalent.

I couldn't find a FWD and AWD test for the CRV, so I will show the CX-5 results...
0-60 Acceleration - FWD (7.8 sec); AWD (8.1 sec)
Cornering/Skidpad - FWD (0.82g), AWD (0.82g)
70-0 Braking - FWD (177 ft), AWD (182 ft)
 

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Those are fun stats in ideal conditions.
On slick roads and challenging surfaces, AWD is always going to be an advantage. :uhoh3:
I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.

Would the AWD version stop sooner than the FWD on slick roads? The answer is NO.
Would the AWD version skid laterally later than the FWD on slick roads? The answer is NO.
The only advantage AWD has on slick roads is under heavy acceleration from 0-30MPH.
 

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I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.

Would the AWD version stop sooner than the FWD on slick roads? The answer is NO.
Would the AWD version skid laterally later than the FWD on slick roads? The answer is NO.
The only advantage AWD has on slick roads is under heavy acceleration from 0-30MPH.
civic we traded in on the CRV couldnt get out the driveway or down the unplowed road with the best snow tires,,,,the CRV backs out no problem and 10 inches of un plowed road..No Problem,,,,,I would rather have safety and pass on the little extra speed anyday
 

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civic we traded in on the CRV couldnt get out the driveway or down the unplowed road with the best snow tires,,,,the CRV backs out no problem and 10 inches of un plowed road..No Problem,,,,,I would rather have safety and pass on the little extra speed anyday
First off, I'd guess < 0.5% of CRV owners would ever want/need to drive on unplowed roads with 10" of snow. If you personally do, then AWD is absolutely the best choice.

But the previous poster said AWD on slick roads is "always" going to have an advantage on the 3 road tests, and you mention that you "would rather have safety and pass on the little extra speed anyday."

What are the most important aspects of "safety" when driving on slick roads?
I would say the ability to stop (braking) and roadholding ability (skidpad).
These things are NOT improved by having AWD.

So how exactly is AWD "safer" than FWD?
Keep in mind, we are talking about the driving conditions experienced by 99.9% of the driving public. Not driving through a 12,000 foot mountain pass during a blizzard.
 

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First off, I'd guess < 0.5% of CRV owners would ever want/need to drive on unplowed roads with 10" of snow. If you personally do, then AWD is absolutely the best choice.

But the previous poster said AWD on slick roads is "always" going to have an advantage on the 3 road tests, and you mention that you "would rather have safety and pass on the little extra speed anyday."

What are the most important aspects of "safety" when driving on slick roads?
I would say the ability to stop (braking) and roadholding ability (skidpad).
These things are NOT improved by having AWD.

So how exactly is AWD "safer" than FWD?
Keep in mind, we are talking about the driving conditions experienced by 99.9% of the driving public. Not driving through a 12,000 foot mountain pass during a blizzard.
A skidpad provides the same coefficient of friction to each wheel.

This is not how winter driving works usually... You get lots of variable conditions... Slush, spotty ice, small puddles, uneven roads. In these conditions having more wheels maintain traction is more probable with 4 powered wheels.

Braking limitations are good to remember though.

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Those are fun stats in ideal conditions.
On slick roads and challenging surfaces, AWD is always going to be an advantage. <img src="http://forum.chryslerminivan.net/images/uploadedsmilies/uhoh3.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Uhoh3" class="inlineimg" />
I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.
Looks to me like you are posting about AWD handling characteristics that you obviously have no real experience with.

Sorry
 

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First off, I'd guess < 0.5% of CRV owners would ever want/need to drive on unplowed roads with 10" of snow. If you personally do, then AWD is absolutely the best choice.

But the previous poster said AWD on slick roads is "always" going to have an advantage on the 3 road tests, and you mention that you "would rather have safety and pass on the little extra speed anyday."

What are the most important aspects of "safety" when driving on slick roads?
I would say the ability to stop (braking) and roadholding ability (skidpad).
These things are NOT improved by having AWD.

So how exactly is AWD "safer" than FWD?
Keep in mind, we are talking about the driving conditions experienced by 99.9% of the driving public. Not driving through a 12,000 foot mountain pass during a blizzard.
Who cares about what you think? There have been tests time and time again showing that AWD has more capability than FWD. Saying anything else is just wrong and delusional. You honestly can't tell us that FWD performs just as well as AWD, right? No, because that's not true. Otherwise nobody would even consider buying an AWD CR-V.

I feel like the only reason you keep trying to prove that FWD is as good as AWD is because you bought a FWD version instead of an AWD, and so now you're trying to justify your purchase. But you can't deny the fact that AWD has better traction in ALL conditions compared to FWD.
 

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Looks to me like you are posting about AWD handling characteristics that you obviously have no real experience with.

Sorry
Actually, wrong again.

I currently own an AWD Rav4 and a FWD Honda Accord, both with 140k+ miles.
Both have been driven on the same roads and in the same conditions.
Both have been driven quite close to their limits handling wise.

It is simply untrue that AWD "handles better" in dry conditions or "always has an advantage" or is "safer" on slick roads.
 

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Back to the original topic. Before buying my 2017 CRV Touring, i test drove a 2017 Civic Touring 1.5L T and a 2017 Accord Touring 2.4L
On the test drive i had my wife, two kids and the salesman.
The CRV was the fastest accelerating and most spacious for all passengers.
The Civic is faster when I’m by myself (drove a loaner EX Turbo for a month before taking delivery of my CRV). However once fully loaded with passengers and luggage, it struggles compared to the CRV.


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