KBB 'Best Buy of 2019' awarded to the 2019 Honda CRV

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MangoConChile

Discussion Starter · Mar 6, 2019

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/best-buy-awards-small-suv-crossover/2000011401/

What’s the most recommendable small SUV for the most people? Once again, the answer is the Honda CR-V. In the five years the Kelley Blue Book Best Buy Awards have existed, Honda’s compact crossover has won its category four times. Given that the small SUV segment continues to grow in popularity with each, that’s no mean feat.

There are now more than a dozen small crossover SUVs competing for space in your garage. Almost all have at least one standout trait, but none are more well-rounded or more recommendable than the 2019 Honda CR-V.

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robbyg

· #2 · Mar 6, 2019

Is there any Car organization left that has not rated the 2019 CR-V best vehicle of the year?
On a side note it's really sad to see Toyota pulling in fourth place. I am sure heads are rolling in Japan. Nothing worst than releasing a really hyped up new Generation and then having it fall flat.
I hope Toyota swallows their pride and goes back to the drawing board now rather than keep this dud for another 4 years. I am willing to go back to Toyota if they can match the interior luxury of the CRV and have an engine that has power but is not deafening.

Rob

noront2019

· #3 · Mar 6, 2019

robbyg said:
Is there any Car organization left that has not rated the 2019 CR-V best vehicle of the year?
On a side note it's really sad to see Toyota pulling in fourth place. I am sure heads are rolling in Japan. Nothing worst than releasing a really hyped up new Generation and then having it fall flat.
I hope Toyota swallows their pride and goes back to the drawing board now rather than keep this dud for another 4 years. I am willing to go back to Toyota if they can match the interior luxury of the CRV and have an engine that has power but is not deafening.

Rob

Yes there are;

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15380025/best-small-compact-suv-truck/?slide=15

https://www.carmax.com/articles/best-compact-suvs

https://www.kbb.com/top-consumer-rated-cars/suv/2019/?slide=1

https://www.edmunds.com/suv/?utm_me...MI6cfP_Kzu4AIVGrjACh3iXwn8EAAYBCAAEgJPq_D_BwE

Edmunds resulted in a tie with CX-5. Crv was "Editor's Choice"

robbyg

· #4 · Mar 6, 2019

noront2019 said:
Yes there are;

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15380025/best-small-compact-suv-truck/?slide=15

https://www.carmax.com/articles/best-compact-suvs

https://www.kbb.com/top-consumer-rated-cars/suv/2019/?slide=1

https://www.edmunds.com/suv/?utm_me...MI6cfP_Kzu4AIVGrjACh3iXwn8EAAYBCAAEgJPq_D_BwE

Edmunds resulted in a tie with CX-5. Crv was "Editor's Choice"

Ehh I should have said compact SUV. No point comparing a CR-V to a $70,000 plus SUV.

eg. kbb rates the CR-V as best compact
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/best-buy-awards-small-suv-crossover/2000011401/

metsfan84

· #5 · Mar 7, 2019

robbyg said:
I hope Toyota swallows their pride and goes back to the drawing board now rather than keep this dud for another 4 years.

It might be longer than that. The previous generation RAV4 was around for 6 model years, and the generation before that was around for 7.

I don't think the current RAV4 is going anywhere. The RAV4 isn't the enthusiast pick, but it sells. A lot. The 6 year old model from the previous generation was the top selling non-pickup truck in America last year, so I don't think they have to worry about sales.

robbyg

· #6 · Mar 7, 2019

metsfan84 said:
It might be longer than that. The previous generation RAV4 was around for 6 model years, and the generation before that was around for 7.

I don't think the current RAV4 is going anywhere. The RAV4 isn't the enthusiast pick, but it sells. A lot. The 6 year old model from the previous generation was the top selling non-pickup truck in America last year, so I don't think they have to worry about sales.

You are almost certainly right! I seriously doubt they will do any major changes after the millions they have spent retooling the manufacturing plants. I was just wishing out loud as I really do like Toyota but this latest version even before its release was a real turn off.

My wife absolutely hates the way the front end looks. I am also not that fond of the truck front end.
Honestly there is not much about the styling that I do like. The square wheel arches just look weird. I also hate infotainment systems that stick up in front of the windscreen. Also I don't think I would ever find a replacement stereo system that would fit if I wanted to upgrade. Overall I might be able to live with all of these issues but now that it has been tested and the reviews are in I just cannot see myself ever buying this vehicle. I really hope your wrong about six years! I really would have liked to have had a choice when I move on from the Gen5 CR-V in two years time.

Rob

Wrascal

· #7 · Mar 7, 2019 (Edited)

Without reading all of the above links I would suggest a look-see at the Subaru Forester. If Suburu had a nearby dealer that'd likely have been my choice.
This recommendation was gleamed from past Consumer Report evals /reviews. YMMV.

Genesis

· #8 · Mar 7, 2019

What good are top ratings if a car manufacturer can' fix known problems and are a pain in the A** to deal with :=(

UMRdyldo

· #9 · Mar 7, 2019

Genesis said:
What good are top ratings if a car manufacturer can' fix known problems and are a pain in the A** to deal with :=(

Anyone ever tried to get a Subaru dealership to fix warranty items? Mine is a bastard. Blamed a washer bottle failure on us hitting bumps too hard. Car was almost brand new.

TEXASCRVs

· #10 · Mar 7, 2019

These awards are worthless. KBB names the CR-V a Best Buy and then names Subaru as the Most Trusted Brand. Honda apparently cannot be trusted as much.
https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/brand-image-awards/most-trusted-brand/

robbyg

· #11 · Mar 7, 2019

TEXASCRVs said:
These awards are worthless. KBB names the CR-V a Best Buy and then names Subaru as the Most Trusted Brand. Honda apparently cannot be trusted as much.
https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/brand-image-awards/most-trusted-brand/

Nothing like a noon day Honda Rant. From a guy who's SUV is giving him no problems.

If you read the article you would see that the most trusted brand spans most of vehicles that the company makes and how they compare to other companies lines of vehicles. The best buy is about a specific vehicle in a specific category and how it competes with other vehicles in that category. on a value basis. The CR-V beats the Forrester in that regard.

You forgot to mention that Honda also wins for Best Brand Image Award for 2018.

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/brand-image-awards/best-value-brand/

Have a Good Day

Daekwan

· #12 · Mar 8, 2019 (Edited)

Wrascal said:
Without reading all of the above links I would suggest a look-see at the Subaru Forester. If Suburu had a nearby dealer that'd likely have been my choice.
This recommendation was gleamed from past Consumer Report evals /reviews. YMMV.

Personally test drove the 2019 Forester, before trying the CR-V. I purposely waited until the end of 2018 to purchase a new vehicle as I wanted to give the 2019 Forester and 2019 RAV4 a try before buying anything. And both are utter disappointments. I dont understand how the Gen 5 CR-V hit dealer lots late 2016.. and after two years of research and design.. neither vehicle comes close to the aging CR-V.

The easiest way to explain my experience with the 2019 Forester.. is that is awesome.. if you never actually drive it. Meaning the windows and doors are huge, the interior looks upscale and very well appointed.. overall the vehicle's technology feels as modern as anything else. It has a fairly large panoramic sunroof, 8" touchscreen and LED headlights are standard on every model.. (things that sorely missing from the CR-V). After a few minutes checking out the very well appointed exterior and interior.. I was shocked when I actually pressed the start button.

Its loud. It is unbelievably slow. The CVT is probably the worse I've experienced. And the adaptive cruise and other advanced driving aids feel crude. Is this EyeSight V1.0? Because I would swear Subaru should be on version 2 or 3 by now. It is laughably terrible to drive.. like driving a miniature school bus. No seriously.. I mean you cant help but chuckle at how that vehicle struggles to get from point A to point B. Acceleration could be best summed as up as an "angry glacier" trying to move. I honestly cannot believe that anyone would actually drive a new CR-V and a new Forester back to back.. and still choose the Subaru. The only people buying the 2019 Forester.. are those who either only buy Subaru vehicles or those who flat out didnt bother to test drive any competitor.

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UMRdyldo

· #13 · Mar 8, 2019

Daekwan said:
Personally test drove the 2019 Forester, before trying the CR-V. I purposely waited until the end of 2018 to purchase a new vehicle as I wanted to give the 2019 Forester and 2019 RAV4 a try before buying anything. And both are utter disappointments. I dont understand how the Gen 5 CR-V hit dealer lots late 2016.. and after two years of research and design.. neither vehicle comes close to the aging CR-V.

The easiest way to explain my experience with the 2019 Forester.. is that is awesome.. if you never actually drive it. Meaning the windows and doors are huge, the interior looks upscale and very well appointed.. overall the vehicle's technology feels as modern as anything else. It has a fairly large panoramic sunroof, 8" touchscreen and LED headlights are standard on every model.. (things that sorely missing from the CR-V). After a few minutes checking out the very well appointed exterior and interior.. I was shocked when I actually pressed the start button.

Its loud. It is unbelievably slow. The CVT is probably the worse I've experienced. And the adaptive cruise and other advanced driving aids feel crude. Is this EyeSight V1.0? Because I would swear Subaru should be on version 2 or 3 by now. It is laughably terrible to drive.. like driving a miniature school bus. No seriously.. I mean you cant help but chuckle at how that vehicle struggles to get from point A to point B. Acceleration could be best summed as up as an "angry glacier" trying to move. I honestly cannot believe that anyone would actually drive a new CR-V and a new Forester back to back.. and still choose the Subaru. The only people buying the 2019 Forester.. are those who either only buy Subaru vehicles or those who flat out didnt bother to test drive any competitor.

I know we aren't drag racing, but the Forester is 1.5 seconds slower in the quarter mile, which is a hell of a lot.

noront2019

· #14 · Mar 8, 2019

UMRdyldo said:
I know we aren't drag racing, but the Forester is 1.5 seconds slower in the quarter mile, which is a hell of a lot.

Wow!!!! 1.5 seconds slower? That is a disgrace!!! I cannot believe that Subaru would build such a slow vehicle in the quarter mile????

UMRdyldo

· #15 · Mar 8, 2019

noront2019 said:
Wow!!!! 1.5 seconds slower? That is a disgrace!!! I cannot believe that Subaru would build such a slow vehicle in the quarter mile????

Would you rather have 0-60, 9.6 sec to 7.5 seconds.

2 seconds slower to 60 mph is a disgrace. Hence why his review noted how slow it was on the test drive. I didn't drive one and glad I didn't. I would have laughed at the salesman during the test drive.

Mike728

· #16 · Mar 8, 2019

UMRdyldo said:
I know we aren't drag racing, but the Forester is 1.5 seconds slower in the quarter mile, which is a hell of a lot.

UMRdyldo said:
Would you rather have 0-60, 9.6 sec to 7.5 seconds.

2 seconds slower to 60 mph is a disgrace. Hence why his review noted how slow it was on the test drive. I didn't drive one and glad I didn't. I would have laughed at the salesman during the test drive.

I'm not sure if you're looking at the 2019, but C&D's figures differ from yours.

2019 Subaru Forester:

C/D TEST RESULTS

Zero to 60 mph: 8.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 23.7 sec
Zero to 110 mph: 31.8 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 9.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 16.6 sec @ 86 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 127 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.83 g

2018 Honda CR-V:

C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 7.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.5 sec
Zero to 110 mph: 28.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 16.0 sec @ 89 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 124 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 166 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.82 g

Neither would be considered fast, but adequate for their class.

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UMRdyldo

· #17 · Mar 8, 2019 (Edited)

Motortrend: 2019 Forester finished the 0*-60 run in 9.6 seconds and the quarter mile in 17.3 seconds at 82.3 mph

"Straight-line acceleration is glacial on the road," said features editor Christian Seabaugh. "It just takes forever to build up speed, no matter if it's 0-30 or 45-65 mph." -Motortrend

I have never seen a CRV review with that bad of a description.

It's all in the Turbo.

Forester 176 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm
CRV: 179 lb-ft @ 2000-5000 rpm.

Genesis

· #18 · Mar 8, 2019

I find it interesting that all the great reviews about the CRV NO ONE MENTIONS the potential engine problems.
If I heard about the potential heat and OD problems I would have NEVER purchased this car..

valvelifter

· #19 · Mar 8, 2019

In terms of this review, I agree with the 'good value for the $' statement. Compared to competitors, there's more in this car than the others in the same category. Hence the reason why i bought one.

I've posted in other threads regarding issues I am having. However, putting those aside, and trying to be objective here, can somebody tell me what is the point of all these 'reviews'? I see JD power, Car Driver, KBB, etc... and they all sound the same, regardless of vehicle.

How long do they keep these cars for? What type of tests do they perform? I want to know about reliability.

I read these reviews and they all seem "feel-good". There is little meat. I then browse through edmunds reviews for instance, who are largely (hopefully) based on real world experiences. I see a wide gap here. One site says it's the best thing since sliced bread, and the other has people complaining about things like clunky infotainment and other issues.

And I know that all cars have issues. But any good review must take the good and the bad. Otherwise, it loses credibility.

I just don't see the correlation between stating this is the top car to buy based on things like even spacing between the hood and my fender. There are a lot of other things I would be interested in if I was in the market of buying a car.

Based on discussions here on the forum, it seems to me that perhaps the top item of discussion and concern / pride is reliability.

I guarantee you that a great review by KBB won't make you less upset after spending too much time at the dealer fixing issues.

Again - I agree with the article in that this car packs a lot of value in its category. Despite my issues, I agree it drives well on the road; I never got stuck in the snow once; the AWD is great. Fuel efficiency is also good. And the review is great for resale value. This guy isn't complaining about that one.

But in the age of internet, where people contribute and nobody relies on a paper magazine anymore for info, aren't these types of reviews somewhat obsolete?

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Chrisss

· #20 · Mar 8, 2019

valvelifter said:
In terms of this review, I agree with the 'good value for the $' statement. Compared to competitors, there's more in this car than the others in the same category. Hence the reason why i bought one.

I've posted in other threads regarding issues I am having. However, putting those aside, and trying to be objective here, can somebody tell me what is the point of all these 'reviews'? I see JD power, Car Driver, KBB, etc... and they all sound the same, regardless of vehicle.

How long do they keep these cars for? What type of tests do they perform? I want to know about reliability.

I read these reviews and they all seem "feel-good". There is little meat. I then browse through edmunds reviews for instance, who are largely (hopefully) based on real world experiences. I see a wide gap here. One site says it's the best thing since sliced bread, and the other has people complaining about things like clunky infotainment and other issues.

And I know that all cars have issues. But any good review must take the good and the bad. Otherwise, it loses credibility.

I just don't see the correlation between stating this is the top car to buy based on things like even spacing between the hood and my fender. There are a lot of other things I would be interested in if I was in the market of buying a car.

Based on discussions here on the forum, it seems to me that perhaps the top item of discussion and concern / pride is reliability.

I guarantee you that a great review by KBB won't make you less upset after spending too much time at the dealer fixing issues.

Again - I agree with the article in that this car packs a lot of value in its category. Despite my issues, I agree it drives well on the road; I never got stuck in the snow once; the AWD is great. Fuel efficiency is also good. And the review is great for resale value. This guy isn't complaining about that one.

But in the age of internet, where people contribute and nobody relies on a paper magazine anymore for info, aren't these types of reviews somewhat obsolete?

Most do long-term reviews. If they like the car, they just keep it.

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