LKAS 2017 Touring

AFAIK No. And I don't think it would be a good idea if you could.
For the same reason you can't make Brake Hold the default.

Remember old Joe Bagodonuts? The guy who has only driven a '57 Chevy?
He has to be able to get in the car and drive it safely, or it has to be placarded as having modified controls.
I went through this when I added a left-side accelerator. I wanted it to default to the left, but that would require placarding, defaulting to the right, so Old Joe can drive it, is OK.
I don't know if this would apply to LKAS, but I could understand Honda not wanting to even get into the matter.

You still get Lane and Road departure warnings with LKAS off.

GaryPSU said:

Can the lane keeping assist be defaulted to on when starting the car? My other vehicle has this setting.

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Doubt it. At least not in a 2020.

“The LKAS is turned off every time you turn the power system off, even if you turned it on the last time you drove the vehicle.”

Per your owners manual, LKAS must be deliberately set each time you drive your vehicle.

williamsji said:

Per your owners manual, LKAS must be deliberately set each time you drive your vehicle.

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Thanks. That is disappointing. I was hoping that there was a work around.

GaryPSU said:

Thanks. That is disappointing. I was hoping that there was a work around.

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Its actually safety-orientated - so while it may be disappointing, there is methodology to why Honda does certain things.

GaryPSU said:

Thanks. That is disappointing. I was hoping that there was a work around.

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Honda wants drivers to use LKAS consciously and with intention. This is for safety reasons, since it is a feature that takes over active steering-by-sensors.

If an owner could set a feature and forget about it from then on, there is no conscious focus and attention applied, which could result in an LKAS related traffic incident when LKAS did something the driver did not expect and who completely forgot they had LKAS engaged.

I know many owners are very conscientious and don't feel they need "nanny-Honda" looking over their shoulders as they drive... but the fact is.. Honda has to design for all cases of drivers and driving conditions as Honda has a responsibility (legal and moral) to protect and insure the safety of drivers and passengers.

williamsji said:

I know many owners are very conscientious and don't feel they need "nanny-Honda" looking over their shoulders as they drive... but the fact is.. Honda has to design for all cases of drivers and driving conditions as Honda has a responsibility (legal and moral) to protect and insure the safety of drivers and passengers.

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Remember even if you live alone you may not be the only one to drive the car. Your dealer, tire shops, possibly a car wash, a valet.
Some of those folks might need Nanny Honda, even if you don't.

Not all current vehicles with a "LKAS" type system have it default to off with every engine shut down. I have to remember to turn it on when I drive my wife's '20 CR-V. I also would like it to stay the way it was last set.

On the other hand, the cruise control will stay "ON" (but not engaged) in the CR-V, while my other car requires me to hit the ON button every time I start the car.

More important in my mind, is a consistency between brands, in these functions, and names of the functions. Seems each brand has a different name for similar safety features.

JB in AZ said:

Not all current vehicles with a "LKAS" type system have it default to off with every engine shut down. I have to remember to turn it on when I drive my wife's '20 CR-V. I also would like it to stay the way it was last set.

On the other hand, the cruise control will stay "ON" (but not engaged) in the CR-V, while my other car requires me to hit the ON button every time I start the car.

More important in my mind, is a consistency between brands, in these functions, and names of the functions. Seems each brand has a different name for similar safety features.

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My Genesis G70 defaults to lane keeping assist on for each start, but the automatic high beams setting does not. That makes no sense at all. I also have to defeat the idle stop and go with each drive - that’s due to their need to show higher MPG. That I understand. I was hoping to find a ”trick” to have my wife’s CRV default to LKAS on.

GaryPSU said:

... I was hoping to find a ”trick” to have my wife’s CRV default to LKAS on.

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This is going to be very difficult, I'm afraid. I have trained myself to hit the LKAS button on my wife's CR-V the few times I drive it.

JB in AZ said:

This is going to be very difficult, I'm afraid. I have trained myself to hit the LKAS button on my wife's CR-V the few times I drive it.

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I rarely drive it as well, but I can‘t “train“ my wife to hit the button each start. 😄

GaryPSU said:

I rarely drive it as well, but I can‘t “train“ my wife to hit the button each start. 😄

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AHHH... My wife doesn't use it either, she doesn't like the feeling.

GaryPSU said:

My Genesis G70 defaults to lane keeping assist on for each start, but the automatic high beams setting does not. That makes no sense at all. I also have to defeat the idle stop and go with each drive - that’s due to their need to show higher MPG. That I understand. I was hoping to find a ”trick” to have my wife’s CRV default to LKAS on.

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LKAS is really meant to be active when ACC is active, from a functionality perspective. They really are coupled fairly closely in the Honda scheme of things in terms of HondaSensing.

The industry has no standard for how all their different systems are enabled/disabled, when, and why. So each manufacturer develops their own brand standard and hopefully stays consistent with in their brand. It is only federal safety requirements that force the brands to follow a common standard on anything safety related.

I believe that most owners can and will adapt to the inevitable differences in how one brand/model works compared to another. Those that refuse are destined to be locked out of some features.

Personally, I find Honda LKAS to be a bit too loose with the steering, particularly in the narrow freeway lanes where I live and adjacent drivers wallowing around in their lanes right up to the lines makes it unsafe in my view to use LKAS in these conditions.

There is a fair amount of hysteresis in the LKAS algorithm.
But I finally learned some of that "wiggle" was my Hankook tires trying to grab the grooves on an Interstate.
Seems to be more stable with Michelins, but still wanders more than I would like.
Whenever there's an exit lane to the right the car seems to start to follow it but quickly steers back to the main road.

beww said:

There is a fair amount of hysteresis in the LKAS algorithm.
But I finally learned some of that "wiggle" was my Hankook tires trying to grab the grooves on an Interstate.
Seems to be more stable with Michelins, but still wanders more than I would like.
Whenever there's an exit lane to the right the car seems to start to follow it but quickly steers back to the main road.

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Yep.

I would use LKAS locally here if they actually had a hysteresis adjustment, similar to how we have a distance adjustment in ACC.

I do use LKAS on long open road road trips... with normal width lanes on the roadway. But I also don't do many long road trips anymore.

And Yes, I agree about the Hankooks loving to "grove-in" on the interstates water shedding grooves. Probably the one thing I dislike about Hankook Kinergys.

Ever since I bought my 2019 XL, LKAS has been activated every time I start the car and drive. Yesterday it was on as normal, and road construction took me off the left side of the road over the yellow line which made the car brake immediately. I actually turned this off for the first time yesterday after this happened. I also keep it off permanently on my 2019 accord. It was on the first few months that I got it but it too got to be annoying so I finally just turned it off and now it stays off.

Hexonxonx said:

Ever since I bought my 2019 XL, LKAS has been activated every time I start the car and drive. Yesterday it was on as normal, and road construction took me off the left side of the road over the yellow line which made the car brake immediately. I actually turned this off for the first time yesterday after this happened. I also keep it off permanently on my 2019 accord. It was on the first few months that I got it but it too got to be annoying so I finally just turned it off and now it stays off.

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Are you sure you aren't talking about Road Departure Mitigation? Totally different feature. The LKAS has a button to turn it on the steering wheel, lower right side.

FYI, at first I found this annoying when I didn't use the turn signals when crossing a line on the side of the road...like entering a a right turn lane.

JB in AZ said:

Are you sure you aren't talking about Road Departure Mitigation? Totally different feature. The LKAS has a button to turn it on the steering wheel, lower right side.

FYI, at first I found this annoying when I didn't use the turn signals when crossing a line on the side of the road...like entering a a right turn lane.

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That must be yet. I’m sorry this stuff is also confusing and I didn’t realize there was a difference

JB in AZ said:

FYI, at first I found this annoying when I didn't use the turn signals when crossing a line on the side of the road...like entering a a right turn lane.

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Great approach by Honda though, because that very annoyance tends to retrain you the driver to use your turn signals... as you are supposed to.

And yes, RDM and LKAS have completely different purposes in operation.

I consider RDM to be a good safety feature. Whereas LKAS is a driving convenience feature, that in my assessment Honda needs to make better in future generations.