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My AWD transmission in my 1998 CR-V LX 4AT is having problems and I've paid a mechanic to rebuild it once, but it is still having most of the issues. Slipping is the main issue, also grinding in 4th gear. I know the clutch was replaced, and he told me the solenoids were too, but it still slips.

Full details: I first noticed some slight slipping going into 3rd gear, then I busted a transmission line to the radiator without knowing it and and ran it dry. I fixed the hose and put new Honda ATF in and it started slipping going into 2nd as well, and the slipping got worse going into 2nd and 3rd. Then when coasting on the highway in 4th gear, it started making a high pitched whining noise like a fire truck, so I started driving it in 3rd gear to keep that from happening and I'm burning through gas like crazy. I paid a mechanic to rebuild it and he put a new clutch in it (which I stopped by un-announced to take a look so I know he at least replaced that). The slipping got better (but not fixed) for a week or two, however it is back to how it used to be, even after he supposedly replaced the solenoids. He ordered 4th gear and the bearings and has been putting off finishing the work for 2 months now. Reverse works just fine, except when I turn but I think that's the drive shaft to the rear diff.

I really need to know exactly what to tell him to do so he does it right when he finally rebuilds it again, for hopefully the last time. Could the slipping be a computer issue? Gear box? Torque converter? Any help with any of these problems would be very much appreciated.

Someone had told me that the transmission slips in order to let the gear box catch up with it becasue it's AWD, but that doesn't sound right to me at all. Does anyone else's do this?

The only info I'm looking for is what exactly needs fixed. I don't live in the U.S. anymore, so any type of legal action probably won't work. I do have a warrantly with him for a few more months, so I would rather have him finish it for free then pay someone else. Especially because it is not very easy at all to find a trust-worthy mechanic here, even the dealerships are crooked here.

This is my first post ever on a forum, and if there are any links or other posts similar to this, please paste the link in comments. Thanks!
 

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After a weekend trip, I realized that I am able to drive in D4 as long as my foot is on the gas. The grinding only happens when I am coasting, so I just pop it in neutral when costing to avoid the grinding. I see there have been a good amount of people that have read my post, but no comments. Does anybody know anything about automatic transmissions?
 

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hey sounds like your in a sticky situation. i know how much it hurts to drive on a slipping transmission.

first a couple of things to realize.

how do u have a AWD transmission on an LX Honda CRV? The LX was 2wd & the EX was AWD. Are u sure u have an LX?

I own a 99 EX CRV and i was having the same slipping issue from 2nd to 3rd gear and then 3rd to 4th. 1st to 2nd was OKAY.

i drove on it for a while but got too annoying so i went to a mechanic and did a COMPLETE OVERHAUL. they replaced everything.

secondly, i was told the cause of the problem was my right front axle. the bearing and all that axle stuff was completely destroyed and ready to snap. so i replaced that too. he said thats why my gears and everything grinded & stripped.

now this is important...how much time and money are u spending going back and forth to your mechanic to change the parts "you think" are broken? i fixed my entire transmission and axle for 1250. drives like new no slipping. my shop fixed it in 3 days.

if your slipping on all those gears why dont u replace the whole thing and do a COMPLETE OVERHAUL?

also is your car in good shape all around? cause remember is it worth it to dump $1300 into an old car just to keep it moving?

i kept my car because it was cosmetically perfect and everything is great engine only had 150k on it. (unfortunately i was side swiped 1 week later while i was parked and the insurance totaled my car for 4500$.... and i still kept it as salvage so i still got it lol)

so remember don't get yourself into a sticky situation like i did. make sure its worth it.
 

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hey sounds like your in a sticky situation. i know how much it hurts to drive on a slipping transmission.

first a couple of things to realize.

how do u have a AWD transmission on an LX Honda CRV? The LX was 2wd & the EX was AWD. Are u sure u have an LX?

I own a 99 EX CRV and i was having the same slipping issue from 2nd to 3rd gear and then 3rd to 4th. 1st to 2nd was OKAY.

i drove on it for a while but got too annoying so i went to a mechanic and did a COMPLETE OVERHAUL. they replaced everything.

secondly, i was told the cause of the problem was my right front axle. the bearing and all that axle stuff was completely destroyed and ready to snap. so i replaced that too. he said thats why my gears and everything grinded & stripped.

now this is important...how much time and money are u spending going back and forth to your mechanic to change the parts "you think" are broken? i fixed my entire transmission and axle for 1250. drives like new no slipping. my shop fixed it in 3 days.

if your slipping on all those gears why dont u replace the whole thing and do a COMPLETE OVERHAUL?

also is your car in good shape all around? cause remember is it worth it to dump $1300 into an old car just to keep it moving?

i kept my car because it was cosmetically perfect and everything is great engine only had 150k on it. (unfortunately i was side swiped 1 week later while i was parked and the insurance totaled my car for 4500$.... and i still kept it as salvage so i still got it lol)

so remember don't get yourself into a sticky situation like i did. make sure its worth it.
Hey djjohnny,

Thanks for the reply. To tell you the truth, I guess I'm not sure if it's EX or LX. I put in my VIN number and it said it was an LX, but it's definitely AWD, I've seen under the car on a lift.

Ironically, my front right axle slipped out last week due to really bad bushings and tie rod (which I told him to replace all of that numerous times the past few months) and I recently put a new CV axle and bearings in it as I was stranded at the beach. After that, I drove it straight back to the transmission mechanic, and told him to keep it until it's completely fixed because I don't need any more issues like this due to his incompetence. I'm pretty sure it's still slipping though, but I'm not quite sure.

The transmission is under warranty, and he told me $700 to replace everything from the beginning. So he hasn't charged me anything the numerous times I've dropped it off and he's not going to if it's a transmission issue due to the warranty and deal we have worked out. But to be honest, I don't even think he's done anything since the first rebuild. He's even told me he changed the oil and obviously didn't. But I'll keep dropping it off until he gets it right because I don't want to pay someone else to do the same job twice. Plus I can't really afford it. The CV axle and bearings ran me $100 at the beach. The deal was, I pay $700 for a complete overhaul, he just hasn't done it correctly yet. He only replaced the clutch discs, when I thought I was going to be running on a pretty much brand new transmission. He is now saying that it is some sort of actuator fork (I'm not too savey on automatic transmissions) that is not working properly. He says once he replaces that, it will be good to go, but that's not the first time he's said that. Like with the solenoids.

My car is in great shape, cosmetically and engine and everything runs great, 130K miles. Also, there is an extremely high resale value for cars here in Costa Rica, so I need to get it fixed to get my money out of it. (I'm from the U.S. but moved to "paradise" a few years back.) Import taxes are ridiculous here, so I paid $7800 USD for it last year. Yes, I know that sounds absurd, but that's what half way decent cars go for here. I actually got a good deal on it. The point is, I need to get it fixed so I can get $8K out of it, which won't be a problem when it is finally fixed.
 

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CORRECTION: It is slipping going from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th. 1st to 2nd is OKAY.

I just went to the shop and drove it real quick to see if it still slips as I needed to get some stuff out of it anyways. It is still slipping, but it seems as though it's not as bad maybe, but I'm really not sure. There's lots of traffic during the day so I didn't have a chance to get to 4th. I also told the mechanic to check the front left axle bearings as the front right are new.
 

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Honestly, I would go to a Honda gear specialist or someone who has been working on gears their whole life. Over here I know a Honda workshop with a gear specialist who rebuilds complete gears in three hours, with not a single problem. If you search around I am sure you will find someone in your area. Just search hard.
 

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Honestly, I would go to a Honda gear specialist or someone who has been working on gears their whole life. Over here I know a Honda workshop with a gear specialist who rebuilds complete gears in three hours, with not a single problem. If you search around I am sure you will find someone in your area. Just search hard.
I was hoping to figure out what exactly needs fixed before paying somone else, as it's under warranty. But thanks for the advice, that might have to be the next step.
 

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I feel so bad that u gotta keep runnin around hoping that its fixed. And wow 8k for resale of that thing. Mine is only worth 4500.
Yea, Costa Rica taxes the hell out of everything imported, which are all motor vehicles. So just about every single vehicle here goes for about double what it does in the USA. All I can do is my best to get at least a good portion of my money back on it. It sucks, but that's part of life here. Gotta take the good with the bad in "paradise."
 

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So now after the mechanic having it for 9 full days, he says he rebuilt it and was supposedly good to go Friday evening. Of course he had an emergency Friday evening, so he couldn't test drive it with me per my prior demands. Friday night I went to a party like 20 minutes away, and on the way home, it almost completely went out. It felt like it ran out of fluid like before, but nope, full. Now it pretty much does nothing when you hit this gas, and takes like 20 seconds to kick into/shift into ANY gear, down shifts really hard, and feels like its constantly trying to down shift. (I took everything of value out of it and left it blocking the doors to his shop. Then showed up Saturday morning and cussed him out really bad, in front of customers and everything. That's not my style by any means, but that's about one of the few things I can do until I get lawyers involved, which will only cost more money. I'll at least make him lose some customers. Karma's a bitch. Just thought I share this part for the hell of it.)
 

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It's really too bad it had to get to the point it did, sometimes you got to do what you got to do. It sounds like your mechanic was in over his head.
 

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In my personal experience with automatic transmissions, there are 4 major components that run the transmission.

1. Torque converter, also acts as a pump for the fluid.
2. Valve train, directs fluid into all of the right places.
3. Clutches, delivers power from shafts to gears, then back to shafts.
4. Computers, AKA your control module, governor, other electronics.

As long as items 1, 2, and 3 are in good shape, which it sounds like he has replaced them, then it all comes down to transmission control. Electronics.

Get your hands on a Honda CRV Factory Service Manual, and refer to the transmission diagnosis section. Section 14-153 talks about diagnosis. It also continues on to proper procedures for dealing with these problems.

The right thing to do is to buy the FSM, but there are obviously other ways to acquire it. Google is your friend. The FSM will have all of your answers, and instructions you can print out to give to this parts changer.

Best of luck, I hope this helped.
 

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If the converter wasn't replaced and the cooler/lines flushed, the new clutches will be worthless. At this point I wouldn't trust any of the work that was done, would find someone competent, and bite the bullet and do it right, or sell as is and take a beating.
 

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This is the type of info I was looking for. Thanks DanScarps. Due to having so little time to search, anyone know what website would have the CRV FSM?
 

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Update:
I went to the shop (I forgot to mention it is an automatic transmission shop) and had him open up the transmission in front of my eyes. The clutch discs were good, all of the gears looked almost brand new except for one tiny chip on one tooth of the largest gear I believe. The internal filter was almost completely clogged with fine metal shavings, and when I stuck my finger in the scortched looking torque converter, there were larger metal shavings in it. He claims he had sent it off to get it rebuilt at a place that specializes in rebuilding torque converters (which they will rebuild everything they can in Costa Rica v.s. just buying a new one) and once in a blue moon they send back one that was bad. Not sure if he did anything to the torque converter at all actually, it looked pretty bad. He said he's going to send it to have it rebuilt again next Monday (since everything is closed until then due to CR holidays) and will have everything done next week. Fingers crossed. Later in the week, he will show me the new solenoids and how to test them once he has the transmission back together. I'm getting some progess at least, but still don't completely trust him after all of the lies. So now my questions are:

**How good of an idea is it to rebuild a torque converter? (I have a feeling I know where this answer is going.)

Could a crap torque converter cause all of the issues I was having? Again, the sort of slipping going into 2nd and 3rd only? Also when cruising down the highway in 4th or overdrive, it sounds like it slips out of gear and makes a whining noise when my foot is not on the gas? Something pretty similar when I'm in 1st going down steep hills very slowly. I guess it makes sense as there would be less pressure when not accelerating. Time will tell if this question doesn't get answered, but I would rather not have to worry about him taking the transmission out AGAIN.

The most recent issues from my 4/14 post I'm guessing is due to the filter getting too clogged.

Thanks again guys, I'm getting some good info and advice from this forum!
 

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Your transmission needs to be completely torn down, including the valve body, every part removed, cleaned, and inspected. The cooler and lines need to be throughly flushed, all traces of metal shavings have to be removed. An auto trans operates with very close tolerances in the valve body, 1 metal filing or piece of lint from a cloth can cause a valve in the body to hang up causing drivability issues.
i would not reuse the clutches regardless of how they look, for the minimal cost, and the fact that they will need to be removed anyway to clean everything.
Torque converters can be rebuilt, the outer shell has to be separated, if they have the equipment and you trust them to actually do it. If it isn't completely cleaned out, the metal filings will be through the trans again.

Good luck!
 

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What? He rebuilt transmission and did not clean the filters?? That is crazy. Torque converter should be included when he rebuilds the tranny. Good luck.
 

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Your transmission needs to be completely torn down, including the valve body, every part removed, cleaned, and inspected. The cooler and lines need to be throughly flushed, all traces of metal shavings have to be removed. An auto trans operates with very close tolerances in the valve body, 1 metal filing or piece of lint from a cloth can cause a valve in the body to hang up causing drivability issues.
i would not reuse the clutches regardless of how they look, for the minimal cost, and the fact that they will need to be removed anyway to clean everything.
Torque converters can be rebuilt, the outer shell has to be separated, if they have the equipment and you trust them to actually do it. If it isn't completely cleaned out, the metal filings will be through the trans again.

Good luck!
Taken the words from my mouth. A complete tear down is in order, as it is full of metal filings. The filter is supposed to catch these before they infest the rest of your transmission.
 

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Great info 13CRVEXLKC. I spoke with him and asked him what all he is cleaning, and he said he is doing all of that. Does the cleaning include removing every gear and bearing? I can see how metal shavings would easily get caught in the bearings, but not sure if they need removed or if he can clean it without removing. I just don't see him removing everything.

He is going to replace the clutches, and I told him to save every single bad/old part so I can expect it when he's done. The discs will be easy to tell apart as the brand new set had slanted breaks in the pad instead of straight breaks in the pad, if you will. (Sort of like some houshold fans have straight blades, but most are slanted). Also check the new torque converter before install. He said he replaced the filter the first time he rebuilt it. I highly doubt he didn't replace it last time, especially if he was giving me a 6 month warranty. I think the torque converter was spitting out so many shavings that it clogged it up.
 
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