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I bought a new Honda CRV 2018 a couple of years ago. I want to explain a couple of things to help future customers avoid what I’ve gone through with it.

So… there’s no CD player. Now, I understand technology well enough, and I get that CD players are becoming less and less useful these days. That said, I believe that since so many people still do use them, any salesman should tell you before you buy a new vehicle that there isn’t one there. It’s not something everyone thinks to check. I hadn’t bought a vehicle in over 10 years, and I didn’t think to look for this on the test drive.

But let’s move on from that… without a CD player, how are we expected to listen to music? Well, Honda certainly has an idea… you can simply pay Sirius XM $10 or more a month ($120/yr) and hear the styles of music you want, although not the exact songs you want. They encourage this by giving you 3 free months of Sirius when you buy the car. But I don’t really want to spend that much money on stations that don’t even play the exact songs I want to hear, and plus I already own most of the songs I want to listen to, and I like to listen to full albums the way they were created to be heard, not jump from album to album.

Another option is to listen to music using your cell data… this is lower audio quality, plus it uses up your cell data (for those of us who don’t have unlimited plans). So I didn’t really like that option. In most cases, that also leads to listening to various songs rather than specific songs as well.

But here’s what really, really gets me. Honda didn’t include a 3.5mm jack. That might have cost… I don’t know, $5 to put in there? Maybe $10? And that would allow anyone to physically hook up whatever they wanted to, such as a CD player, and mp3 player, or literally any kind of audio source that they chose.

These 3.5mm inputs were standard on cars for many years. And they are still obviously extremely useful, especially considering the benefit-to-cost ratio. The huge benefits to customers for spending maybe $10 adding a little audio jack to a car would surely be worth it for a company that cares about its customers.

So why would Honda remove this? I can only think of one reason… they have a relationship with Sirius, and they benefit financially every time someone pays Sirius through a Honda account. Someone please correct me if you can think of any other reason that the 3.5mm input is not included on this vehicle.

So to me, this is just one more example of corporations caring about dollars far more than they care about customers. A quick Google search will show you how much frustration this issue has caused customers, and I would say it has caused me huge amounts of frustration as well. Including a 3.5mm input would have solved this problem for countless people. The fact that they removed it makes me feel that they care about me for one reason: my pocketbook. And spending $30,000 isn’t enough. They want to keep taking money from me as much as possible.

I did come back and ask my salesman about this issue. He said, “Oh, it’s no problem. You just put all your songs on your phone and tell your phone which songs to play.” Sounds easy, right? Again, I work with technology pretty extensively in my field, so I tried this, and found it very, very frustrating. First of all, Google doesn’t find the song half the time you ask for it. For another thing, apparently Hondas have some limitation so that they don’t play files that are higher quality than 192kbps. Or something like that, I don’t even remember now. The point is, I tried it, and it wouldn’t play half of my library because of this limitation. So I might be able to hear songs from one album I loaded onto my phone, but not another album.

So… yeah, I guess I could go in and reformat my entire mp3 library. Or I could pay for a service I don’t want like Sirius and still not hear the songs I want to hear. Or I could use my cellular data, which is limited, and end up paying my cell company more. OR Honda could have spent $10 to include a 3.5mm audio input and made me and countless other customers happy.

But they didn’t. Which makes me wonder how many other things they approach from that mentality.

Frankly, the listening experience in every previous vehicle has been far superior to this one. Remember when there was that other knob on the right so that you could adjust bass, treble, and put the music in the front or back to your taste? Yeah, that’s gone too. You have to physically touch through several menus to find this every single time. And the touch screen isn’t very sensitive. They just took that knob off.

I have owned Hondas since 2000, but this may be my last one.
 

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Wow! Did no one mention a flash drive to you? You do not need to use a phone. Also, how many vehicles include a CD player these days? I don't believe any of the ones that compete with the CR-V do. If you really want one, there are a few threads regarding a USB compatible player.
 

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I have several friends that have recently bought other car brands, that have the same issue. It is NOT just Honda! The 3.5mm jack is a fading thing. As @Mike728 mentioned, copy all your albums to a flash drive, then you have all your music available in a device the size of your finger, or thumb nail. I do this. I works, I no longer have any CDs and still have all my music in a very compact format.

By the way, Welcome to the forum, Ben! I truly hope you stick around and can benefit from the large amount of info. and resources the members provide here.
 

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Wow! Did no one mention a flash drive to you? You do not need to use a phone. Also, how many vehicles include a CD player these days? I don't believe any of the ones that compete with the CR-V do. If you really want one, there are a few threads regarding a USB compatible player.
Yes, I did put all my music on a flash drive. All 30 gigs. So when I am looking for a particular album, I have to scroll through literally hundreds of albums while also trying to focus on driving. Many of them don't alphabetize accurately either, so it's not even as simple as scrolling through hundreds alphabetically.

Believe me, I've tried it all. But I am open to anything I haven't tried if there happens to be some magical solution out there.

More to the point, why do you think they didn't include a simple 3.5mm jack to allow external devices to easily be plugged in?

I am interested in a USB compatible player, yes, but I haven't seen any that are (a) affordable or (b) reliable. Please post one if you know of one.
 

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I have several friends that have recently bought other car brands, that have the same issue. It is NOT just Honda! The 3.5mm jack is a fading thing. As @Mike728 mentioned, copy all your albums to a flash drive, then you have all your music available in a device the size of your finger, or thumb nail. I do this. I works, I no longer have any CDs and still have all my music in a very compact format.
Well, to that I would assert that the 3.5mm is a fading thing because they all have relationships with companies like Sirius that give them incentive not to allow their customers an easy way to listen to their own music. I'm sure it's not just Honda, but I'm hopeful that there are a few companies that are willing to give their customers the control over their music that they want. And I do also have all the music on a flash drive. I described the issues with that in a response to the other person.
 

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Well, to that I would assert that the 3.5mm is a fading thing because they all have relationships with companies like Sirius that give them incentive not to allow their customers an easy way to listen to their own music. I'm sure it's not just Honda, but I'm hopeful that there are a few companies that are willing to give their customers the control over their music that they want. And I do also have all the music on a flash drive. I described the issues with that in a response to the other person.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Sirius. It has everything to do with cost vs. value. People wanting a CD player in a vehicle are a minority. I do agree that an Aux port would something nice to have and should not very costly to add, but every penny adds up to the bean counters.
 

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Sorry, @ben1973. I added to my post while you were replying.

Technology changes, salesmen are not mind readers, they can not possibly understand the needs. and wants of every customer. Along with Honda, EVERY new car that I know of comes with a free trial to SiriusXM I don't know if they get a kickback from the SiriusXM.

I was surprised when I bought my previous 18 CR-V Touring that it didn't come with the proximity sensors (parking sensors). My FIVE year older Ford Escape that I traded in did, and I was quite surprised this feature wasn't included. Shame on me for not knowing. I had erroneously assumed that all the cars available in the completive segment, top trim lines, would have this feature. Nope. I get your frustration. I really do.

There are several USB CD players that are available. Please do an ADVANCED SEARCH in the Gen 5 area here for the threads that discuss them.
 
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any salesman should tell you before you buy a new vehicle that there isn’t one there
This is why its always worth reading the brochure online. Not all sales folk are honest.

Another option is to listen to music using your cell data… this is lower audio quality
USB stick? EDIT - source of MP3 dictates quality too.

But here’s what really, really gets me. Honda didn’t include a 3.5mm jack.
See above. USB is the way forward. I would struggle to know of any OEM that supplies an outdated 3.5mm jack point. Its obsolete.
 

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you can have couple of flash drives - all album a-c on one d-g on another.

I still cannot believe I cannot get a 45 rpm record play for my new Honda - my 1963 Peugeot had one from the factory. Worked good as long as the road was smooth.
Maybe a cassette player - What no cassette player.
How about a CD player - Again no.

Maybe we were better off when we had to change the oil every 1000 miles. (Humor Sheldon).
 

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I searched "USB CD Player" on Amazon and came up with several in the low $20 price range. https://www.amazon.com/External-CD-...uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

EDIT: I have an old LC portable CD/DVD drive that I use with my laptops that no longer include an optical drive. I just tried it in my CR-V, it works. It is similar to the one I linked here. I cannot confirm that this one will work in your car, but worth a try? Amazon has free returns on most things.
 

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To what's already been posted, let me add:

USB (flash drive) is (or should be) a huge improvement over both in car CD and aux in jack. And, at least for the CD player, surely is much lower in production and warranty cost to Honda. And, noting for instance that PCs (pick your OS or form factor, it doesn't matter) almost never have optical drives anymore and CD Audio sales have plummeted, omitting the CD is just a recognition of market reality.

The reason I qualify that USB should be a huge improvement is that the media player code in the CR-V (Honda Display Audio of this generation in general) is TERRIBLE. Buggy. Random in Folder can't even stay in the same folder. Slow. Playback gets glitched, in our '16 Civic, by the Lane Watch turn signal. And its functionality is primitive at best. Our '07 CR-V was more capable playing from CF cards via PC Card adapter than this is from USB. Play by Genre? Or by Artist? Yes in '07. Not in the '18 CR-V. What a POS.
 

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So I had a thought....and promptly discovered it wouldn't work. That was using a computer external CD drive plugged into the USB port. Apparently that's a no go due to driver needs.

However googling external CD drives for cars came up with dozens of options on amazon of all places with no external driver needed.

Give it a go and let us know if it works.
 

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Most new phones have no physical audio jack. It's gone. Nothing to do with Sirius (which is also outdated technology limited to North America only) or any other conspiracy. 3.5 mm is gone everywhere just like the CD slots.

There was a member here who bought color coded USB sticks and had specific style of music copied to specific color of stick. Much easier to navigate. Much less hassle than handling delicate compact discs in a car.

Android Auto/Apple Carplay makes it ever simpler to manage and use your music library.

I switched to fully digital in 2006 when I bought a Kenwood Bluetooth head unit for my daily van. It had Bluetooth streaming and USB for mp3/wma. It also had a rear connector for 3.5 mm which I hooked up to an adapter in the front panel I fabricated back then (no Aliexpress) but only used it once to test.

The issue has been beaten to death in this forum but it's fun every time it comes up. Just like oil change topics.
 
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I have a bluetooth module the opposite I plug to my 3.5mm adapter Lol so I can have my smartphone play to the aux.
 

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I have literally my old computer's entire hard drive of MP3s saved to my phone's Samsung player. I also download every song that I buy so I don't have to worry about inferior streaming files that just eat up data.
 

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So… there’s no CD player. Now, I understand technology well enough, and I get that CD players are becoming less and less useful these days. That said, I believe that since so many people still do use them, any salesman should tell you before you buy a new vehicle that there isn’t one there. It’s not something everyone thinks to check. I hadn’t bought a vehicle in over 10 years, and I didn’t think to look for this on the test drive.

But let’s move on from that… without a CD player, how are we expected to listen to music? Well, Honda certainly has an idea… you can simply pay Sirius XM $10 or more a month ($120/yr) and hear the styles of music you want, although not the exact songs you want.
My salesman did point out that the car did not have a CD player, after he spotted several dozen CDs in my trade-in, and offered to install one, for what I considered a reasonable price.
But I didn't need it.
If you are paying Sirius $10/month something's wrong. NEVER take their first offer. I'm paying $5/month, after my 3 month free trial. Works out to $45 for the year.
I agree a 3.5 jack would be a nice feature. I don't think it was Honda who made the decision to not have it anymore, that was probably Pioneer, who made the head unit.
 
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