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My Sleeper - 2000 CRVtec

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Hello everyone, I've decided to redo my entire thread here... Seems completely out of date and inaccurate. I saved two pictures, just to show the old and the new.

2000 Honda CRV, not sure of the trim package
5 speed manual
B20Vtec
374,000km

My daily driver, I use it for work, so it's constantly jammed with cargo.

I've learned quite a bit over the years about this vehicle, so please feel free to drop me a PM or a question here. I've explored many avenues, and am continuing to go deeper.

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Showoff

First day I picked her up, bone stock with a short ram intake.
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Engine Bay.
DIY: Tune-up, Big 3 Upgrade, Intake, Kinetik KHC1400
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At some point, my engine started rocking back and forth really hard between shifts. This was the culprit:

Engine torque mounts

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Replaced both with these:

Polyurethane Engine Torque Mounts

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Those new mounts caused a lot of vibrations in the car, and to this day I have yet to secure the bumper from it's infernal vibrations. It isnt tooo horrible, but i am tolerant. Just turn up the radio lol But it does give me quite amazing shifts, which is entirely worth the noise.

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And then one day it was driving, my clutch slave let go my fiance when she was driving, and somehow this happened to my clutch:

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I installed a Exeddy Stage 1 clutch and pressure plate combo, with a TypeR flywheel, shaved down to 14 pounds. Oh and a new slave too, OEM.

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My fiance also has her own car now.

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At 355,000km I blew my engine. Compression from cylinders 1-4: 173psi, 169psi, 70psi, 167psi. It was getting 230km to the tank, with absolutely babying it. Otherwise it barfed black and blue smoke, and would soil an oil change with fuel, in a day or two of driving.

Side note, for anyone who is driving on a B20 engine, for the love of god, change your oil pump to an appropriate aftermarket one. The OEM oil pumps give poor oil circulation to cylinder 3, and are almost always the cause of these cylinders wearing out.

So I did this:

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B20B Block, bored 50 over, with TypeR 11.5:1 pistons and rods.
B16A Head, shaved (forget how much) to get it closer to 12:1, new valves, guides, essentially rebuilt to all hell.

And everything reinforced with ARP studs, bolts, ect.

PRM intake system, highly recommended. The filter is a velocity stack, people with AEM intakes claim throwing the filter on alone gives 3-4hp on the dyno without a tune.

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So off to the dyno we go:

Results:

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For anyone who cant read that, it says 164hp / 133 tq.

Not what I was aiming for, but it is reasonable considering we had the injectors running at 100% and the exhaust is completely factory.

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So the next day, I'm driving around, having all kinds of BWAAAAAAA fun, and I decided to spin over to my mechanic's shop. I take him for a rip, take his partner for a rip. Then I decide, HEY LETS DO A BURNOUT!

Famous last words:

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So we replaced them with some 500hp rated shafts, so this never happens again.

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While replacing the drive shafts, I noticed something that looked rather, decrepit. We ordered the parts in and replaced them in a few days.

Time is not friendly, and neither is salt.

Rear sub frame brace:

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Aaaaand new ones, with a sticker for the jajajaja's:

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So then suddenly, I started getting this bad ass knocking sound from the engine. And I'm thinking FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..... So I take it to the mechanics.

The guys tear apart the head, look at my distributor, and they just cant find where the noise is coming from. They adjusted valve lash, everything was at the bottom of the spec. Then we retarded the timing to full retard (you never go full retard), and the knock almost went away. We pulled out timing light, compression tester, and discovered the compression was a wopping 215PSI. We're like WTF?! This thing should be on rocket fuel! After our inspections complete, and hours of grueling diagnostics, we determine its gotta be a blocked cat/****ty exhaust, or a cam.

Also, during our inspection, we found this crazy marking on the head. Every other head in the shop, had blank squares, mine had these markings.

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After sending this picture to Chinese and Japanese friends, no one understands it. Someone said the second character contains ancient particles for WEST. But that's it.

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SOOO anyways off to the store I go. Luckily a few suppliers had these guys sitting around, just for me =)

Magnaflow 22" muffler, and OBD2 Cat, both 2.5" in/out.

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PLM Tri Y Big Tube, for the nice mid range.

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RDX 440CC Injectors, because now we're going to need the real deal.

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All said and done, I got the gear installed:

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Side pipe exhaust makes me happy =)

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And back to the dyno we go!

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Unfortunately, I misplaced the dyno sheet =( But she made 194.xx HP and I forget the torque rating. Knock gone, and I'm a happy camper!

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Until recently, I was driving late at night, slightly sub zero temps, and the engine was shaking, pretty badly. But the bastard BMW was riding my ass like it's an Olympic sport.

So I slowed down to 60 on the highway, put it in second, and stomped on it. It made a rather strange noise, power surged, and then had more power lol. I look out my rear view, and the BMW is swerving all over the highway, and there is a gigantic cloud of black and chunks making a silhouette in his headlights.

Uh oh... Back to the shop!

The next day we drop the exhaust:

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Molten kitty guts...

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So we broke the rest off, tipped it upside down, and slapped it all back together. The motor is so much happier haha!

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Which leads us to today... She's a happy camper, doing all of my dirty work, putting on thousands of kms every 2 weeks.

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I do hope you enjoyed, there will be more to come =)
 
#6 ·
Thank you.

Yeah my hopes with the transmission will be that the limited slip diff will help launch, because when the back wheels have to work, it's just plain slow with one front tire spinning.

That and the gear ratios will keep me in VTEC every time I shift at the red line.

45mph in first gear lol thats just crazy =)
 
#10 · (Edited)
Edit: After going to the shop and pulling a control arm, I found out the bushing kit below does NOT work on the CRV. Buying the right ones from http://www.whitelinesuspensionparts.com/

Further edit: These parts are on a 2 month order, and I will get them another day. The suspension is a tricky beast, which must be done properly. I will come back to this, but for now, I am moving on using OEM equipment.


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And lets just say, my appointment at the shop is in a week. It cant come soon enough:

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Aaaaaand incase that wasnt grunge, gnarley, or plain nasty enough for you, here it is with a flash on:

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In other news, I made my own first ever DIY grill. I just had an idea, a couple beers, and I made this. My 'slapped together' DIY post will have the details, in case you dare try this yourself =P

Here's the results: Sorry for the night pics, will post day shots.

P.S. If you're wondering why it looks out of place slightly; It isnt secured yet, I just popped it in place.

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With and without the Honda Badge:

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Seen this immediately after taking the pictures, made me laugh:

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#16 · (Edited by Moderator)
Just a day shot of the DIY grill, looks good. Still on the fence about a badge or not.
Go with the badge. Tends to look rice without it!
 
#12 ·
The Honda lettering will look great in the new grille, and will add some 'retro' feel to it.
This whole project is really awesome so far. As a 2 times CRV owner, with a brother who owns a jdm Integra type-R, now I really want to sell my 3rd gen and find a nice 1st gen instead...
As for drivetrain, I'd say go for the LSD first, and if you still lack traction, go for a tougher rear diff, just remember to get the same ratios :p and probably upgrade the RT4WD system while you're at it (oil cooler might help?)
 
#14 ·
Thank you for your comments!

So thanks to the guys at honda tech, I have this article on a guy who swapped 1st gen CRV RTAWD drive train into a EK Civic (96-00) body, with a 450hp turbo'd engine. Nevermind his insane work to get this all to fit, he touched on replacing gears, fitting an LSD, upgrading the pump shaft (middle drive shaft), and equiping a toggle switch to turn the rear wheels on and off.

Long story short, the CRV transmission has really thick shift forks, which do not fit into regular B series gear synchronizers: from the S80/Y21 transmissions (type R, GSR, Si, LS, ect). So he had to use the 5th gear out of an LS Integra, and shave the fork down to fit it. So this throws my custom transmission down the toilet, unless we can swap shift forks from a s80 into a CRV transmission.

Also, his LSD solution required running the ring gear face on a lathe, reducing it's thickness by nearly 1/4", so the bolts would clear. So this is possible, just more fab work and time.

The pump shaft replacement was out of a suzuki 4WD, which also uses the intermediate bearing like our shafts do, it was just a couple inches short. So he had custom plates made to adapt from the factory shaft to the thicker shaft.

And the rear end is holding on to the power very well with the 450hp engine, and him engaging the rear end into full lock mode on launch. I dont wish to run this mod, but it's a great idea.

Anyhow, here's the thread, for anyone that wants to check it out: how i installed an lsd in a crv awd transmission...
 
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I was looking for some older pics of my CRV, I stumbled upon these.

I think this was about this time, 3 years ago. Notice the rust on my hood doesnt exist, or the ding in my grill haha.

I had fitted these rims, belonged to my brother, he gave them to me. 235/40R18, it drove like crap, was taken all over the road by every crevice. I think it was due to the +35 offset.

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I cant wait for my new rims, weeee!!!!
 
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Rim day has commeth!

P235/50R17 - 0.01% difference from factory diameter.

2013 Honda Civic SI factory pull offs, had the plastic still on the rim.

Paired with a set of Falcon ZE950 all season tires.

Man does this ever ride nice, and it hooks up a heluva lot better!

I'd just like to add that right now it has 4 winter tires on rims, 2 water coolers, 5 filtration systems, tools, filters, and a furniture dolly inside of it. The rear end is slammed haha!

To view a larger image < click here.

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#21 ·
Those rims look awesome, and love that you get to maintain the H cap!
 
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#23 ·
Tooling around on the CRV this morning. Fixed a sticking rear hatch handle, and lubricated a squeaky door.

Snapped some more pics of these tires, I cant get my eyes off of them. I feel like I'm driving a monster truck haha.

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#25 ·
Precisely my thoughts. However, I need to replace my rear bushing set, and upper control arms & compensator arms (toe angle), before embarking on the coil over mission.
 
#27 · (Edited)
So these whiteline parts are on some kind of crazy order time. I need something to work for now. I will likely just put in a new set of front control arms with all new bushings, OEM style, or press out the strut isolator bushings in the arms themselves. And replace them with some standard rubber bushings. Anyhow, this front suspension project is curbed for now. I will revisit it properly later, once the right components are all available to me.

Going forward...

First I'll be looking to find the rear adjustments.

Next will come the coil over suspension system. I've found this website, which lists 4 vehicle specific suspension systems: http://www.tunersports.com/products.php?make=24


I cant wait to be done with this suspension business, I need to spend more time under the hood.
 
#29 ·
The Ksport set looks good too, I think it has the softer spring rate.

I remember seeing a green set somewhere on here, made in the USA. Those looked nice as well.
 
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Next up:

If I could just get a damned reply from these guys, I'd order them. It seems they either ignore their emails or just me.



Camber Adjustable Arms, front and back.

http://www.coloradomountainrally.com/store/p8/CRV_Camber_Kit_1997-2001.html



Also on the "waiting for a damned reply" list, is J Spec Performance, for the front strut bar, and rear 19mm sway bar. They are a local dealer that deals UR products, but they just don't seem to reply to my emails either.

http://www.ultraracing.my/catalog/index.php?id_category=607&controller=category


Getting paid tomorrow, and this about sums up all my feelings...

Shut up and take my money!

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Edit: Just got a response from Fortune Auto.

I am going to be ordering these, but F-ME they are expensive. You get what you pay for... With the Swift Spring upgrade and Radial Bearings. I've read a lot about these swift springs, people say they are the bee's knees.

Shipping, border taxes, at my front door for UGHHHHHHHHH $1,987.90 Canadian Dollars!

http://www.dsgperformance.com/fortune-auto-500-series-coilover-honda-crv
 
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Edit: Just got a response from Fortune Auto.

I am going to be ordering these, but F-ME they are expensive. You get what you pay for... With the Swift Spring upgrade and Radial Bearings. I've read a lot about these swift springs, people say they are the bee's knees.

Shipping, border taxes, at my front door for UGHHHHHHHHH $1,987.90 Canadian Dollars!

http://www.dsgperformance.com/fortune-auto-500-series-coilover-honda-crv

$2000?!?!? dang thats race car money :rolleyes:. I was gonna just do the radial bearing on mine, fix the coil over spring noise when turning issue. I was gonna use the stock springs didnt even check out the swift springs. Well if you ended up getting them I give you MADDDD props lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fortune-Aut...200604181876?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eb4f0e574&vxIp=mtr
here is one for 1700 (1300 coilovers 400 shipping to Canada) but then you would have to buy the upgrades, I think the shipping cost would be a deterrent to me.
 
#35 · (Edited)
I just bit the bullet, and ordered a set of Ingalls Engineering adjustable front upper control arms. These are CRV specific, and will correct up to 3 degreese of negative camber. They take OEM ball joints for the CRV. This should be perfect for my project.

http://www.ingallseng.com/mmy.php?year=2000&make=59&model=754

www.Summit Racing.com $300 shipped to my front door, I cant complain about that price.

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Edit: Cancelled this order, as these won't be needed.
 
#38 · (Edited)
I would seriously look at Eibach lowering springs. If I remember correctly from my Honda del Sol days, I got the whole kit, sway bars included and it was a heck of a lot cheaper than $1600. To me that is still racing money. Eibach are worldwide proven, and comfortable.

Just my 2 cents worth, either keep the pics comin', love these builds Dan.

Edit: Just checked, and Eibach doesn't have a kit for the Gen.1 CRV, but H&R springs do, and they are almost as big a company as Eibach.
 
#39 ·
Thanks Rickman, I actually am a fan for H&R and Eibach, very good personal experience here with them and their kits. However, one thing that drives me insane is mismatched sets of springs and struts.

This Fortune company has me completely sold. They hand build each assembly, done by technicians in the USA, who test, tune and ensure the quality of each part. They also ensure that the strut valves are tuned to the spring rate that you are running. They offer an $80 upgrade to replace the crappy spring bearing with a sealed rotating assembly that never needs servicing or replacement. Also, these guys have a spring that no one else on the market has; a true linear coil spring, which equals real ride comfort like an OEM style spring. Their setups are used on expensive cars like EVO10s and Nissan GTRs. The EVOX forum is almost completely full of people running these setups, and they're batsh!t crazy over how good they ride. If something malfunctions, I can drive to Quebec, and have a technician disassemble and repair a shock. The list goes on and on.

I just cant look at Chinese/Malaysian made setups with no North American customer support, or local repair facilities. I've had about 10 personal emails go back and forth between me and the sales rep in Montreal. I dont think any other company can offer me this cushion of comfort lol. So I'm willing to fork out double the price of normal setups, because I will be driving the crap out of these struts.
 
#40 ·
Dan, can you point me to your custom grill DIY thread? I'm wanting to do something similar. Specifically, what wire-mesh did you buy?
 
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#42 ·
hey dan I was skimming through your thread (love the engine swap by the way, really want a gsr head for mine) and I saw you had some alignment after lowering concerns. I dropped mine about 4-5" and was able to get everything damn near within spec wit just some washers in the rear for camber and nothing in the front.

 
#44 ·
hey dan I was skimming through your thread (love the engine swap by the way, really want a gsr head for mine) and I saw you had some alignment after lowering concerns. I dropped mine about 4-5" and was able to get everything damn near within spec wit just some washers in the rear for camber and nothing in the front.
its a little out in the front and rear but not enough to cause excessive wear and I have no pull. hope this helps.
Hey thanks for the comments yoterman87!

So from my research, I've learned that camber kits are primarily for people that want adjustable camber. In the mid 90s, aftermarket suppliers started producing adjustable camber kits for the public, and they pushed them in their tuner mags. Making claims that the negative camber was the cause for people's inner tire wear to be leaps beyond the middle and outer wear patterns. But with modern sports vehicles, we often buy them with -2 camber in the front/rear. They do not suffer from excessive inner tire wear, simply because their toe angles are correct.

With that being said, toe is the primary concern. And like you said, you used washers in the rear, which I hear and read is common practice. However, that's not something I would do. I've already purchased a set of rear toe adjustment arms, and will be buying a set of rear camber arms this weekend. The rear camber because it's already at -2, after lowering that would have me sitting at around -4, and that's a bit too much for me.

Anyhow, thank you for the input. If things around me would just stop costing me money, I'd be done my lowering job already =P
 
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