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2013 CR-V AWD 2.4L 4-cylinder: 100K Maintenance (A14 service code)

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#1 ·
Hi folks,

Maintenance Minder came off on our 10 years old CR-V with A14 code at little over 105K miles calling for as per manual for following manufacturer recommended services:
  • oil change
  • tire rotation
  • spark plug replacement
  • valve clearance inspection

Local Honda dealer I usually go to for oil changes (I know, they should be avoided like a plague for anything but buying a car for cash but it is simply a convenient place and I don't mind spending few dozen $ extra on oil changes there) is now quoting 100K service (without even looking at the vehicle) which on top of manufacturer recommended services include:
  • thermostat replacement
  • radiator hoses replacement
  • drive belt replacement
  • miscellaneous up-sell items like installation of premium fuel cleaner system, 'dirty' brake fluid replacement etc.
Total quote from the dealer came at almost $2K for a car with market price of $12-13K which made me thinking about shopping around for quotes from local mechanics after soliciting answers from Honda community.

Few questions:
1) I am reading conflicting statements that 2013 CR-V AWD 2.4L 4-cylinder does not even have a timing belt but rather timing chain which never needs replacement which means my somewhat trusted dealer is saying something very questionable here...
2) If 2013 CR-V AWD 2.4L 4-cyl does have a timing belt and I am only planning on keeping the car for maybe 2-3 more years before selling it at which point it will be 12-13 years old with probably 130K miles on it should I roll the dice and stick with as per owners manual A14 services and politely decline dealer's 100K service package at this point?

Thanks in advance!
 
#2 ·
Stick with the MM recommendations, for MILES as well as TIME.

You SHOULD replace brake fluid...recommended by Honda every 3 years.

The 2014 has a timing CHAIN, which does not require replacement unless it is stretched from the engine being run low on oil repeatedly.
BUT
Some of us feel better when we replace the SERPENTINE belt (a grooved V-belt for the accessories) at around 100K miles.

You SHOULD replace the coolant after 10 years (again, Honda recommendation) but that is a simple drain & fill of the radiator. No need to replace rad hoses at that mileage.

Using Top-Tier Gasoline (or a shot of fuel system additive like Techron) every 6 months makes fuel system service unnecessary.

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For sure, having an independent Honda service specialist do the above services will save you money...and they will use the proper fluids.
Been changing Honda DW-1 ATF, and (if 4WD) DPII differential fluid every 30K miles?
 
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#3 ·
Carbuff2 Thanks for the clarification on timing vs drive/serpentine belt. The dealer indeed quoting drive belt replacement NOT timing belt so I think I am now less concerned. Will shop around for MM recommended services.

ATF and rear diff fluid were changed as per Maintenance Minder, I will need to to pull records/invoices to see at which mileage/intervals. Break fluid was changed few times as well as far as I can recall.
 
#4 · (Edited)
All the items recomended realy are things that should be done. Also items missing from your list are waterpump, and serpentine belt tensioner, BOTH O2 sensors, transmission fluid and filter, and if it is AWD rear end (differential fluid).

If it were mine along with all the above I would clean MAP sensor, MAF sensor, and do the very easy to do throttle body cleaning whith out removing it from the vehicle by spraying throttle body cleaner on a microfiber cloth and cleaning while MAP and MAP sensors are off the vehicle. Air intake filter if it has not been changed for a while, clean battery post, cabin air filter if it has not been changed for a while, tire rotation if due, oil and filter if due, brakes if needed.

There are YouTube videos on how to do every one of these routine maintances. It is not rocket science. Anyone with decent mechanical skills can do them. But watch several videos about each item because often some video will show a good point about doing something that others miss.

At that mileage also check all 4 struts for leakage, and check all tires for uneven wear and test drive the vehicle to see if it tracks straight without pulling to either side on the steering wheel. You should be able to drive it straight on straight and level roads at speeds between 35 to 60 mph with only two extended fingers resting on top of the steering wheel. If you can not, and OR tires are wearing uneven, then it requires alignment at a shop with a hunter alignment machine that can measure all three angles of all 4 tires down to 1/100 of a degree. And by a shop with personel who will properly enspect the steering and suspension components to be sure they are good enough to hold the alignment.

The dealer way overcharges. Good indepentent mechanics or doing it yourself cost a lot less. But everything I listed should be done.
 
#5 ·
Anyone who knows what they are doing regarding vehicle repair will always replace the tensioner and idler pulley when replacing a serpentine belt on any vehicle with 80,000 miles or more. There are YouTube videos of people who have tried to save a few bucks by not doing that when changing a serpentine belt, only to have ended up with problems shortly after.

And Honda waterpumps really are very good pumps to be good for 100,000 miles of reliable service. But after that many miles they are worn out and require replacement if you do not want a breakdown. And overheating an engine can result in severe damage. The recomended replacement miles for the waterpump is around 100,000 miles.
 
#6 ·
And I know the laundry list is already long enough and the cost are adding up. But if it were mine and I was doing that maintance I would add clean or replace positive crank case valve. And replace oil pressure switch, knock sensor, antifreeze (engine) temperature sensor(s). Some vehicles have 1, some have 2.

The knock sensor is a big deal. Always use the best quality for that part. A failed knock sensor can cause some engine designs to have the computer run the engine with such a bad air to fuel ratio that the inside of the cylinders gets sooooo hot the engine gets destroyed. And literaly, has to be replaced.
 
#7 ·
For the fuel system cleaning, simply buy a bottle of Red-Line SL-1 fuel system cleaner, and at the gas station BEFORE you fill up the tank, dump the entire bottle in. Then run that entire tank of gas until the range indicator is low, like 40 miles or less.

Do this right before an oil change. After you run that tank of fuel that low, and fill up the tank, then get the oil and filter changed soon.
 
#8 ·
I would follow Honda factory recommended maintenance and skip any “optional“ services. Especially if you do not plant to keep the car another 10 years.

Radiator hoses easily will last 20 years/200k miles with no risk. In the 80s we had hoses bursting after 10-15 years but we have much better hoses and cooling systems now.

Thermostat is a lifetime item and should not be replaced. Again 40 years ago we used to change them as maintenance. Now only in boat engines it is still a maintenance item due to using raw fresh or salt water for cooling. With todays coolant properties in Honda, thermostats do not need to be changed except if they fail.

Fuel cleaner is also a waste of time and actually you are risking to destroy your oxygen sensors and the expensive catalyst if not done properly. I would avoid at all costs.

The serpentine belt normally should be inspected before replacing and might last 150k miles. Truth is that changing it at 100k does not hurt.
 
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