Sorry to hear about your issue. I would suggest that you contact Corporate Honda. This is unacceptable and dangerous. It's still under warranty and should be fixed.

 

Get the meanest nastiest pitbull of a lawyer experienced in suing auto dealers and car manufacturers. Being nice won't solve your problem. You own a car that is not roadworthy. If you have an accident your insurance company will attempt to make you the bad guy for driving a car that is not fit to be on the road

 

I'd probably start pulling engine codes and replace the battery.

 

Well I am not going to do that. I don't want the car any more (could kill me and other drivers) and I certainly don't ever want a Honda again. I chose this brand because of a reputation for reliable quality cars. Guess I was wrong.

 

All pedal power? Please explain ! So do you mean you push on either the accelerator or brake pedal they will go to the floor and do nothing?
If so this is why all this fly by wire stuff needs to end, it is all very dangerous. And giving ABS and systems like VSA total authority over the brake system is nuts.

Oh and not just Honda all this is on many other makes as well.

On all these modern vehicles the most dangerous failures are electrical, since all driver inputs are now through essentially joy sticks.

 

All pedal power? Please explain ! So do you mean you push on either the accelerator or brake pedal they will go to the floor and do nothing?
If so this is why all this fly by wire stuff needs to end, it is all very dangerous. And giving ABS and systems like VSA total authority over the brake system is nuts.

Oh and not just Honda all this is on many other makes as well.

On all these modern vehicles the most dangerous failures are electrical, since all driver inputs are now through essentially joy sticks.

Yes

All pedal power? Please explain ! So do you mean you push on either the accelerator or brake pedal they will go to the floor and do nothing?
If so this is why all this fly by wire stuff needs to end, it is all very dangerous. And giving ABS and systems like VSA total authority over the brake system is nuts.

Oh and not just Honda all this is on many other makes as well.

On all these modern vehicles the most dangerous failures are electrical, since all driver inputs are now through essentially joy sticks.

Yes all pedal power. On three occasions I am driving safely down the road then all of a sudden the dash beeps a few times, the red battery warning light comes on, and I will have lost all pedal power. Pushing on the gas while in drive results in no movement. I have to safely drift somewhere to a stop, put it in park, turn off car, then turn back on to continue driving.

 

I'd start by replacing the battery.

Batteries get old and need to be replaced. You can do this yourself in 30 minutes for less than $200.

 

Then your saying there are no brakes?

I hope this is a wake up for the ones in the past thinking there will always be brakes especially when talking about the unintended acceleration issues now and in the past.

You need to lemon law that car now.

 

First of all, which battery. Second, all electric functions continue to work. Lastly, two Honda techs did full diagnostics and tests and found nothing wrong and nothing to try to fix. I am taking it in for a third time to have the Honda foreman take a look. My lawyer said I have to give them three attempts to resolve before pursuing lemon law. Every other aspect of the car works including the brakes. except this Honda also came with a lower front driver plastic molding piece that will not stay in place. Honda techs can’t seem to fix that either.

 

Every other aspect of the car works including the brakes.

I'm lost, you said all pedals, you said you have to CAREFULLY come to a stop, and said yes to my posts above. So is JUST THE GAS PEDAL NOT WORKING THEN?
Please I'm asking for specific not vague answers. Please detailed explanation.

Does this information sound similar to your problem?

https://www.crvownersclub.com/threads/brake-servo-failure-on-2020-honda-cr-v-hybrid.240740/

 

You need to replace the 12 volt main battery just to be sure. The red battery light means either the 12volt battery is dead or the charging system isn't charging. Could be loose grounds or something.

Obviously it's quite unacceptable, but you are going to have to at least try to remedy it.

Also make sure to have an OBD2 reader in the car in case it does it again. It should have codes when it fails.

 

Makes you wonder all these electronics and sensors and it doesn't save any codes that would be helpful.

 

I have been through the lemon law four times for one vehicle. The dealership has to actually attempt to fix the issue, otherwise it doesn't count as a fix. You could bring the vehicle in 100X, and the dealer can say "Problem could not be duplicated, no service performed".

Think of this as an unintended consequence of lemon laws. In the past, the mechanic would be willing to try a few things to solve the customer's issue. Now, they won't touch a vehicle unless the problem is obvious. Otherwise, it will count as one of the "fixes".

I also am wary of first-time posters who make outrageous claims about issues with their vehicles. I have seen this many times, someone will post about a prematurely failed transmission or engine, but won't respond to any questions or actually show documentation for the issue.

Could you include a photo of this plastic piece you are talking about ? I'm not understanding what the problem is.

Video proving this issue is real
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It is the moulded plastic piece highlighted in this picture. The first time I took it to the dealer, they said they put it in place (well I did that by just pushing it back in only to have it pop out sometime later). Then later it popped out a few times so I just kept pushing it back in place. Now the 2nd visit to another honda dealer said they put in place so will see if it stays or not!

 

And Honda can't diagnose a bad battery?

 

Not one that is intermittently bad.

I had one a few years ago that would "go bad" if you hit a pothole at the right speed. The jolt was enough to short the battery cell for a moment and kill the engine. I gave up and replaced the 12V battery and it never happened again.
All Honda techs can do is load test and current test - it does not vibrate test for issues.

If it is not the battery - a brake switch that thinks it is pressed will cause no power and your restart (you have to hold the brake petal down to start) is enough to reset the switch.

 

Okay so they had the car for inspection for 4 days and found absolutely nothing wrong with it. Battery, charging system, electronics test out perfectly. They will not replace anything under warranty if they can't find a problem. So looks like it time to go see a lawyer. I contacted Honda directly a few days ago and so far they have ignored my situation. The manager at the Honda dealer was informed of the situation when I brought it in and picked it up for the first time 5 days ago. He never contacted me. Looks like Honda just doesn't care. All I know for sure is that I will never buy a Honda again and tell everyone I know to avoid at all costs.

 

This is an unfortunate situation. The problem is if they can’t reproduce the problem, then how do they know how to fix it? I wish you the best luck with this but I highly doubt a lawyer is going to be able to help.

 

I have no idea why you would be hiring a lawyer at this point.

 

As I said at the beginning of the thread get the meanest nastiest lawyer that has experience in suing auto dealers and auto manufacturers, make them eat the car and get a refund.

 

No comment. Simple questions could not be answered.

 

Curious, what state are you in? How long have you owned the vehicle, and how many miles?

 

Nevada. 1 year. 20k miles. Paid total in cash for brand new top trim sport touring hybrid.

 

Thanks for your reply. I've now got a better understanding of what it was you were trying to explain.

I'm very surprised that the dealer has not found any codes, dumped by the engine computer or the BCM. That is, of course, presuming that they've done the diagnostics. If they have not done this, then I really think you'd better insist it get done, even if you have to pay for it, and then go after Honda later for reimbursement.
If the dealer declines to do this, then my first inclination would be to try another dealer.

Either way, I'm sure you've been smart enough to get a good paper trail going. By sure to make yourself, notes, recording date, time, and what happened, and when. Never rely on your memory. Get things down as soon as possible, as you will need this when it comes to dealing with Honda USA.

Other than that, I'm at a loss to provide you with anything insightful that you've likely not already though of. Does your state have any sort of 'Lemon Law'?

 

Thanks Max! Been to two Honda dealers (twice to the dealer I purchased from and one other) and found their method of diagnosis is first computer and evaluation of all systems. Then driving test to try to duplicate issue. Nothing showed up on diagnosis and driving replication did not happen of course as it is extremely unlikely as it has happened just 3x in 12 months and 20k miles. There is a lemon law so all that remains is to discuss with attorney to see if the video (which is my only physical evidence of the problem) would be enough to pursue recompensation. I just wonder in the end, when this is all over, how much $$s this will cost me as attorney has to be paid, and I paid all the $Ks for tax and license only to have to pay that all over again to try not to get a car with no unresolvable quality problems. I thought I was doing the right thing in buying a Honda no-hassle product and not a Chrysler or Mercedes as I really just wanted reliability and confidence of drivability!

 

Be careful how you criticize Honda on this forum. Some people have a very thin skin when it comes to the GOAT of car manufacturers

 

And another thing....if Honda is so great at reliability and quality, then they should take car of the .01% of the cases where this fails. Nobody yet can build 100% perfect vehicles 1 million times...so for those few that are crap (mine is one), then it would behove them to take car of that person. For I have a voice and I now have the ability to scream loud with lawyers, social media and forums to resolve my issue. If Honda continues to ignore, then I will continue to scream louder.

 

And one more thing. I would want nothing more than Honda to succeed! Many of the smartest people in human society work for car manufacturers as human transportation is a cornerstone of human success. So for Honda to become better is better for everyone! This does mean Honda has to take care of the unlucky few that are victims of their business. I still hold on to the belief I am one of the rare few and am willing to call them to this task.

 

I spoke with a lawyer and he said I don’t have a case. The Honda dealer has to find something wrong and they said they didnt. He said even my video evidence of the problem would not be enough. Just sucks to drive an unsafe car that can’t be fixed.

 

Well now that the door has been closed on the lemon law hopes -- time to search for an open door. Good luck to you.

 

I had a similar experience within the first couple months of owning my '23 Sport Hybrid but the issue was immediately identified as needing a software update that they were just rolling out to all incoming vehicles. Surely they would have checked for that.
As far as the battery goes, it wouldn't necessarily have to involve the charging system, would it? What if there was a fault in the battery that happens intermittently? I'm no mechanic but I have certainly heard of that happening.

 

You had 23' Hybrid that would lose gas pedal power while driving? Yes that was the first thing I asked is if there was a software update for my vehicle and the dealer's said no. I pointed out over and over that the red battery light came on but they said the battery is perfectly fine. It is just I don't understand what system would prevent one from pushing the gas pedal and not getting a response? Doesn't seem like a battery or charging system would have anything to do with that. It seems to me this happens when on engine power then suddenly it flips over to battery power and gets stuck there at the time when the battery does not have enough juice to propel the car so there is no throttle response. This has always happened on Econ mode. Next time it happens I am going to have to move to normal mode and see if I can get a response. But like a computer, I am always having to just turn the car off then back on to get things working again.

 

Agree with bandit....replace the battery! It's worth a shot.

 

Maybe I should take it to a Fisker Ocean technician. They may know how to fix since they have been trying to fix the same problem on their car.

 

I suggest we put a pin on this for now. if the OP has new info, PM a Mod and they can reopen.

 

Yes they replaced the battery and a month later I lost gas pedal power again. But strangely after they replaced the 12V battery, my average MPG went from 33 to 35....go figure. Video here is the event happening for the 4th time.