[rlp2451]

Hi, I bought a 2024 Honda CRV hybrid with 7500 miles on it about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 years of factory warranty remaining on it + an additional 2 years as a CPO.

I am based in Florida, USA.. and doing some research I realized that the push button start makes it very easy to steal and a target for thieves ( as are all push button start vehicles apparently ), as most of you already know one of the many ways they can steal this car is via the OBD2 port, and in 20 seconds they drive off with your car... scary thought !

One deterrent is to install a metal OBD2 port lock to at least slow down the thieves.. do any of you use one of these ?
And if yes, can you recommend a specific one that's hard to take off when locked but not too hard to take off when unlocked ?

The second part of this is that apparently using one can affect the factory warranty which is also a concern.
It seems like one can't win.. lol

Anyway I will contact the dealership about it shortly but if any of you have already investigated this, any comments/feedbacks would be appreciated.

A concerned newb Honda owner.

Forgive me if I'm missing something, but my understanding is that unless you have the key fob you can't 1) get in the car and 2.) start the car.

 

[Chupacabra]

Forgive me if I'm missing something, but my understanding is that unless you have the key fob you can't 1) get in the car and 2.) start the car.

There's plenty of ways to get into a car. Once they are in, starting the car apparently isn't that difficult if they have access to the OBDII port, which is also easy to access.

Another way is by using a relay attack which fools the car/fob into thinking they are much closer than they really are. They can then get into the car and start it and drive off. Replacing the fob is their problem later I guess.

 

[Chupacabra]

I'm being serious here, if I live somewhere where people stole cars I would move. If people are willing to do that they're just not the kind of people I want to live with or around and who knows what else they might do.

Where is this land where people don't steal cars? Pretty much anywhere in the US auto thefts occur. Sure some more frequently than others, but there can't be too many places in the US where car thefts simply don't occur.

 

[rlp2451]

There's plenty of ways to get into a car. Once they are in, starting the car apparently isn't that difficult if they have access to the OBDII port, which is also easy to access.

Another way is by using a relay attack which fools the car/fob into thinking they are much closer than they really are. They can then get into the car and start it and drive off. Replacing the fob is their problem later I guess.

You could always install a battery disconnect switch. Most thieves are in a hurry they aren't to going to stick around to figure out why a car won't start. Costs about 20 bucks.

 

[JL369]

I'm being serious here, if I live somewhere where people stole cars I would move. If people are willing to do that they're just not the kind of people I want to live with or around and who knows what else they might do.

I live in a very good neighborhood and we have a 2 cars garage...I am just being paranoid, due to the fact that push buttons start cars are way too easy to steal ! + I always choose the highest deductible on my insurance, meaning I am in part my own insurance...lol

These cars are stolen a lot in New York, in Florida about 650 CRVs are stolen a year.. so not too bad, but trying not to be part of that statistic...lol

Catalytic converters, that's a different story, particularly with hybrids, cause they have a higher content of precious metals.

On another note, luxury cars get stolen everyday, and they are owned by people in affluent neighborhoods.

 

[JL369]

You could always install a battery disconnect switch. Most thieves are in a hurry they aren't to going to stick around to figure out why a car won't start. Costs about 20 bucks.

Good idea, and a lot of bang for the buck. Thank you.

 

[JL369]

I had a IGLA system installed on my 2023 sport touring hybrid and The only way you can steal it is if you have it towed. Highly suggest this system it is absolutely well worth it i'm in Philadelphia and it cost $1200 and nothing comes close to what this does.

That's a little more than I want to spend but that's very good to know.. I'll look into it by curiosity.

I am in areas that are not high risk, but I am still trying to layer a few cheap deterrents just in case, like a good club, OBD2 lock, wheel nut locks..

If I was in a high risk area however I would not hesitate to spend $1200 to really protect my car..

Thank you for sharing.

 

[JL369]

Forgive me if I'm missing something, but my understanding is that unless you have the key fob you can't 1) get in the car and 2.) start the car.

I would suggest you go on Youtube, and see pro thieves do it in 20 secs without fobs... these cars are computers on wheels, any basic hacker can hack your computer on wheels.

I wish you were right though !

 

[JoeLesko]

Hi, I bought a 2024 Honda CRV hybrid with 7500 miles on it about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 years of factory warranty remaining on it + an additional 2 years as a CPO.

I am based in Florida, USA.. and doing some research I realized that the push button start makes it very easy to steal and a target for thieves ( as are all push button start vehicles apparently ), as most of you already know one of the many ways they can steal this car is via the OBD2 port, and in 20 seconds they drive off with your car... scary thought !

One deterrent is to install a metal OBD2 port lock to at least slow down the thieves.. do any of you use one of these ?
And if yes, can you recommend a specific one that's hard to take off when locked but not too hard to take off when unlocked ?

The second part of this is that apparently using one can affect the factory warranty which is also a concern.
It seems like one can't win.. lol

Anyway I will contact the dealership about it shortly but if any of you have already investigated this, any comments/feedbacks would be appreciated.

A concerned newb Honda owner.

Best way is a steering wheel lock, a bit of a pain but works great

 

[BobG0524]

Thanks for the reply, I had no clue it included all these features which seem worthwhile, so definitely considering it for her car. Activating the horn at 3 am could definitely be fun for your favorite neighbors.. lol

I just put a samsung smarttag (I have samsung phone) hidden in my CRV. Its not a perfect solution, but I can track where the car is on my phone. No subscription just buy the tag

 

[greggk9]

Hi, I bought a 2024 Honda CRV hybrid with 7500 miles on it about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 years of factory warranty remaining on it + an additional 2 years as a CPO.

I am based in Florida, USA.. and doing some research I realized that the push button start makes it very easy to steal and a target for thieves ( as are all push button start vehicles apparently ), as most of you already know one of the many ways they can steal this car is via the OBD2 port, and in 20 seconds they drive off with your car... scary thought !

One deterrent is to install a metal OBD2 port lock to at least slow down the thieves.. do any of you use one of these ?
And if yes, can you recommend a specific one that's hard to take off when locked but not too hard to take off when unlocked ?

The second part of this is that apparently using one can affect the factory warranty which is also a concern.
It seems like one can't win.. lol

Anyway I will contact the dealership about it shortly but if any of you have already investigated this, any comments/feedbacks would be appreciated.

A concerned newb Honda owner.

why not simply "disarm" the remote keyless entry? you can do this on the nav screen, by going in to "door settings". so it disarms the "radio linking" of the keys to the car. so you simply have to press the remote button to "lock/unlock" the car instead of simply walking away/towards the car. the when at home, put your keys in a metal "faraday box". you can also buy a "faraday pounch" which you can put the key in , in your pocket. ok, so it disables a "gimmiky feature", but cn save a car from radio frequency scamming, which is rife in the United Kingdom, and this is what the Police over here fully recommend.

 

[CRV_in_White]

The more I learn about it, the more I wonder how we, as a society, were conned into this keyless idea? I, for one, find it to offer exceedingly little added convenience... but it adds great expense, complication, angst and vulnerability. I ,mean, I need to have the fob on me ... so why not just have a key? The "angst" isn't even about theft... I live in fear (mildly!) of starting the car, realizing that I forgot something in the house, and somehow LEAVING MY KEY AT HOME when I leave. Or having the fob fall out of my pocket and fall beside the seat,unnoticed.. Or other such scenarios that were simply impossible with a key.

AND, YES, I live in an area where it's perfectly fine to leave the car running the driveway. Nobody's gonna steal it. Heck, I see cars left running in strip-mall parking lots when it's really hot (A/C) or cold (heat). And yes, even though my CR-V is an '04, and thus immune to such nonsense, my other car HAS keyless-go... so I use it every day. I just don't think that my life would be less-fulfilling without it!

 

[JL369]

why not simply "disarm" the remote keyless entry? you can do this on the nav screen, by going in to "door settings". so it disarms the "radio linking" of the keys to the car. so you simply have to press the remote button to "lock/unlock" the car instead of simply walking away/towards the car. the when at home, put your keys in a metal "faraday box". you can also buy a "faraday pounch" which you can put the key in , in your pocket. ok, so it disables a "gimmiky feature", but cn save a car from radio frequency scamming, which is rife in the United Kingdom, and this is what the Police over here fully recommend.

Great recommendation !

I ask the dealership if that was an option on my car about a week ago and after they said yes, I immediately did that ,so no remote automatic unlocking for me that's one of the first things I did and it's free !

I don't think too many people realize how all these extra unneccessary conveniences add to their car vulnerabilities.

 

[JL369]

The more I learn about it, the more I wonder how we, as a society, were conned into this keyless idea? I, for one, find it to offer exceedingly little added convenience... but it adds great expense, complication, angst and vulnerability. I ,mean, I need to have the fob on me ... so why not just have a key? The "angst" isn't even about theft... I live in fear (mildly!) of starting the car, realizing that I forgot something in the house, and somehow LEAVING MY KEY AT HOME when I leave. Or having the fob fall out of my pocket and fall beside the seat,unnoticed.. Or other such scenarios that were simply impossible with a key.

AND, YES, I live in an area where it's perfectly fine to leave the car running the driveway. Nobody's gonna steal it. Heck, I see cars left running in strip-mall parking lots when it's really hot (A/C) or cold (heat). And yes, even though my CR-V is an '04, and thus immune to such nonsense, my other car HAS keyless-go... so I use it every day. I just don't think that my life would be less-fulfilling without it!

I could not agree more ! They call is " progress " , progress should be a key fob that's more secure than a regular key... but no, in this case you have to put that key fob in a special pouch, away from doors and windows, lol...

So I am ok to get more progress on convenience but it should not be at the cost of security !

Makes no sense to have a 20 years old car ( my trade in ), safer than a modern car..

 

[JL369]

Perhaps you can find the same format of screws (size and threads per inch) in a harder material with a tamper-resistant head drive style.

McMaster-Carr in the US sells a wide variety of such screws in many materials. See the following link on a PC or Mac and browse down the left panel until you see Drive Style and click on the "i" info icon for some examples.

McMaster-Carr

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I had no clue and thanks for the suggestion...what I like about the lock I bought except for the aluminum screws part..lol , is that the key you need is not common.
I believe they use 1 screw design per 40 units, which is why unit is expensive and therefore a thief can't possibly have a duplicate in their tool bag, but of course with a drill it's game over..).

Your suggestion is definitely worth a look, thanks for sharing.

 

[JL369]

Best way is a steering wheel lock, a bit of a pain but works great

Are you referring to a " club " type product ?

 

[crvtouring]

Sorry to say this, but if they want to steal your car they will. Fob or no fob. A screw driver in the key cylinder and force it to turn. The lock is ruined but it will unlock. The club in steering wheel, is no match for a battery powered saw.obd locks can be defeated. The best you can do is park in a well lit place and add things that will slow down thieves. In Toronto people have been installing the boot on there wheels and steel bollard post in there drive ways. There have been cases of home invasions to get fobs

 

[snakebait6]

• "Notification of car theft: a feature on the app notifies police of a theft together with information on the vehicle (e.g., make, model, year, color, tag, VIN etc)"
• The only problem with this is Cops do not care about about stolen vehicles. There is no glory in finding one and they may have to confront an armed criminal. Then when they find one there is paperwork to be completed which they normally don't like.

 

[Zip1]

gen 5 is the most stolen car for 2024 in Canada. the obd lock are not fool proof but it will deterrent thieves. want an a almost fool proof anti theft from obd2 hacks? just but a remote for your model and hide it in the car un programmed. even the dealer will not be able to add a key unless they find the un programmed remote

Can you provide any information or links to verify how this works with a Honda vehicle?

In researching this theoretical, relatively low cost solution I could not find anything to suggest that this would work.
If it could work, the hidden un-programmed FOB would likely have to be located closer to the Start button than the thieves FOB to prevent authorization from an ODB programming tool.

Watch this video, specifically starting at 2:45

 

[JL369]

Sorry to say this, but if they want to steal your car they will. Fob or no fob. A screw driver in the key cylinder and force it to turn. The lock is ruined but it will unlock. The club in steering wheel, is no match for a battery powered saw.obd locks can be defeated. The best you can do is park in a well lit place and add things that will slow down thieves. In Toronto people have been installing the boot on there wheels and steel bollard post in there drive ways. There have been cases of home invasions to get fobs

I agree with you 100%, nothing will stop a pro whom really wants your car... but if one layers security measures, it becomes a lot of extra work which they can avoid by stealing your neighbor's car instead of yours...

A battery kill switch was suggested by somebody else yesterday, and I thought that was a good suggestion to yet add an extra layer of security for little money...

So if you have a club or better yet there are devices that lock both your steering wheel and brake pedal, and an OBD port lock, and a battery kill switch... there are so many layers a thief would want to go through even if they are pros imo.

Now ,it sounds like in Toronto you have a serious theft problem, if people have to go as extreme as a boot etc...

In high risk areas it might be worth investing in a system mentioned in this thread by another person, but he mentioned he paid $ 1200 for it in Philadelphia I believe.