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And the battery would be at capacity more often and unavailable to recover the “free energy” when the car was coasting, braking normally, etc, and ultimately sub optimize overall performance . The car is designed to be driven as a hybrid letting the car‘s SW optimize performance and mileage. The small EV battery functions like a capacitor in an electrical circuit as a temporary storage device of electrical charge, not as a primary power source.
I understand what your saying, but my battery never fully charges in town, I wish they could program it to have a little more regenerate breaking, but not totally like an electric
 
I understand what your saying, but my battery never fully charges in town, I wish they could program it to have a little more regenerate breaking, but not totally like an electric
Ours will regen brake almost to the complete stop. But in order to do that, you can't come to a rapid stop. You have to anticipate and ease into a stop. I have no idea how my wife drives it though. I doubt she's "easing" into much. o_O
 
And the computer would put the car in EV mode more often thus saving gas
This is a common misconception. EV Drive mode not only does not save gas, it uses more gas. But it is gas you burned at an earlier time, even if the charge it was recaptured thru regen braking. The extra losses come from the AC/DC conversions, High/Low voltage conversions, and charging/discharging needed to defer the use of this energy.

So why is it there? Because it allows the engine to be more efficient when it runs. Here is an explanation I've used for it before. The numbers are approximations, but close enough to real data I found on-line for my 2018 Accord Hybrid. You use the same system, but the power needs of the CR-V are a little different. And while it may seem a little technical? I've tried, as best I can, to make it easy to understand.
  • Call the energy applied by a 1 horsepower engine, in one unit of time (it doesn't really matter what it is), one "zip."
  • Call the amount of fuel that theoretically contains one zip, one "sip."
  • The Accord needs 15 HP to maintain 55 mph on a flat road.
    • If the same engine wasn't in a hybrid, it would be 33.3% (or 1/3) efficient at this speed.
    • It would need to burn 15/(1/3)=45 sips of fuel in each unit of time.
  • But the engine is 40% (or 2/5) efficient if it generates 34 HP at that speed. (This isn't an approximation, it is the engine's true efficiency peak.)
    • So the system choose will "Engine Drive." 34 HP is sent to the hybrid transmission. 15 HP of that is passed thru to the wheels, and 19 HP is sent to the traction motor acting as a generator, to charge the battery.
  • If this is done for one unit of time, we can then get 15 HP back from the battery in EV drive for the next unit of time if we assume that 2 HP is lost while charging the battery, and also while discharging it.
    • While in Engine Drive Mode, the engine used 34/(2/5)=85 sips of fuel.
    • While in EV Drive, the engine uses no fuel.
    • But if the car had used only the engine for the same time, it would have burned 90 sips.
The nest result is that the car averaged (30/85)=35.3% efficiency; but that was 40% while in Engine Drive, and 30.6% while in EV Drive. The average was an improvement of 33.3%, but that is because the Engine Drive portion was so high. Not because EV Drive "used no gas." And the average gets better the less time it spends in EV Drive. Yes, regen braking helps this average, but only because you can't count the time using that charge against the average.
 
This might be a quicker introduction. It's technically about the Accord, but everything is the same except AWD.
Interesting video I had not seen before thanks.
In the video, the narrator mentions that the hybrid gets its fast cruising speed from the ICE.
Wonder why he did not mention that EV drive will activate as well at higher speeds?
I have witnessed EV mode while traveling between 65-70 mph.
Unless this is different in the Accord.
 
Interesting video I had not seen before thanks.
In the video, the narrator mentions that the hybrid gets its fast cruising speed from the ICE.
Wonder why he did not mention that EV drive will activate as well at higher speeds?
I have witnessed EV mode while traveling between 65-70 mph.
Unless this is different in the Accord.
It's the same in all iMMD vehicles, but specifics about speed and acceleration can vary. It isn't mentioned because Engine Drive is dedicated to highway-speed cruising, while EV Drive can work at any speed, in theory.

These videos might help:
 
Hello,

Im having trouble understanding how e-HEV AWD works.

Does someone know which wheels are powered by Elektromotor in all EV mode, which wheels when in hybrid mixed mode and which wheels does the petrol engine power in Engine mode.

Maybe its not as simple, can someone explain please.

Thank you
 
Thank you for the fast reply and directing me to this thread.

It has been very helpfull, especialy in understanding the complex transmition.

In my layman understanding of the transmition I guess that the Elektromotor powers all wheels "all the time", except in Engine mode when the engine powers only front wheels.

Am I understanding it right?

Can someone explain it better please?

Thank you
 
In my layman understanding of the transmition I guess that the Elektromotor powers all wheels "all the time", except in Engine mode when the engine powers only front wheels.

Am I understanding it right?
Yes.

More details here:

 
Thank you for the reply,

On this site I also found information on the brake recuperation system which is also very interesting.

But I could not find if the AWD model also has rear axle brake recuperation.

I think the 2WD can not recuperate from rear axle since its not conected.

Does anyone know if the AWD hybrid also recuperates energy from rear axle.
 
In my layman understanding of the transmition I guess that the Elektromotor powers all wheels "all the time", except in Engine mode when the engine powers only front wheels.
Yes and no. There's a video you can watch here that was made by Honda at least five years ago (the concept is ten years old). Here is a screen shot of the point in it that you ask about next:

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While it may look to be simplified, it actually contains almost all of the details in the car's transaxle. And they still work the same way today. One addition is that your CR-V has two clutches, not the one shown here (the sideways "T" shapes in the bottom center) that connects to a second overdrive gear (the gray gear leading from the right side of the clutch) and then the countershaft (the light blue gear in the center-right).

The one true simplification is that the light blue gear which connects the countershaft to the one wheel shown, is a more complicated set of gears that connects it to the two front wheels in FWD, and all four wheels in AWD. The FWD or AWD system determines how to distribute power between the wheels. Unfortunately, I know less about this mechanical system than I do about the hybrid system that drives it.

The motor is powering the wheels all of the time in EV Drive and Hybrid Drive. Only the battery powers the motor in EV Drive. The engine-driven generator is added in for Hybrid Drive. But the battery can either add or subtract from that electricity, in order to keep the engine at the most efficient load possible. I'm going to call this function "buffering."

Engine Drive is a bit trickier. With the clutch closed, the generator is turned off (it still spins, but generates no electricity). But the motor is still connected, and performs the exact same buffering function. Most of the time, that will mean it is charging the battery, but it can also add small amounts of power. If large amounts are needed, the car changes to Hybrid Drive.

On this site I also found information on the brake recuperation system which is also very interesting.

But I could not find if the AWD model also has rear axle brake recuperation.

I think the 2WD can not recuperate from rear axle since its not conected.

Does anyone know if the AWD hybrid also recuperates energy from rear axle.
I don't drive the hybrid CR-V, so I can't say for sure. If the AWD system is "on" during regenerative braking, which is the exact reverse of EV Drive as shown in that picture, then it is included. That is, it works off of the spin of the countershaft (the light blue gears in the center-right), not the individual wheels. The same AWD or FWD system that distributes driven power to the wheels, will be able to combine the wheels' braking power that is sent to the motor (which is also a generator).
 
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