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Disappointing exclusions in 2025 Touring Hybrid (Canada Edition)

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#1 ·
I research the death out of things before I buy them, but there are a few things that slipped past me when I bought my 2025 Touring Hybrid (Canadian Edition) last week, that I am just discovering. I wonder how many other people realize these issues before buying? I am switchiing from a 2018 Touring, that had all these features. Who'd have thought that 7 years later they'd be removing them?
  • No spare tire!
  • No TPMS! Although if you Google "2025 CRV Touring Hybrid Canada TPMS" the A.I. response says that it is included. The PDF manual also says it's included AND the owners manual (Canadian Edition) says it's included. I wonder what Honda Canada would have to say about that if I pushed the issue - probably a disclaimer somewhere in the smallprint that says they can add/remove features whenever they feel like it, without notice. I guess I'll end up getting an after market thing from Amazon. So not only do I not know if my tire is punctured, I also have nothing to swap it for! Bizarre.
  • Panoramic Roof. Gone.
  • Garage door opener. Gone.
  • LED Turn signals. Gone. Replaced with bulbs (that may as well be candles) that glow slowly and dimly, on and off like a 1920 Model T Ford. I immediately replaced these with aftermarket LED's (Lasfit T3 Canbus). Took 30 seconds and look fantastic. I'd say these are essential for good visibility, especially when caught in blizzard conditions here in Canada.
Anyone else missing these features? I realize we (in Canada) get the heated steering wheel and heated rear seats etc, but it would have been nice to get a heads up about the exclusions on the new models.
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#2 ·
Lack of a spare tire is a function of the hybrid drivetrain as the space for the spare is now where the HV battery lives. Other makers manage to fit both but not Honda.

The CRV does have TPMS but it’s an indirect system that compared tire revolutions and looks for one tire that differs from the norm. While it doesn’t show pressure in each tire or identify which tire is the culprit in the event of a warnin, it does have one virtue: no TPMS sensors to periodically replace.
 
#9 ·
Lack of a spare tire is a function of the hybrid drivetrain as the space for the spare is now where the HV battery lives. Other makers manage to fit both but not Honda.

The CRV does have TPMS but it’s an indirect system that compared tire revolutions and looks for one tire that differs from the norm. While it doesn’t show pressure in each tire or identify which tire is the culprit in the event of a warnin, it does have one virtue: no TPMS sensors to periodically replace.
I wasn't aware that there was any form of low pressure warning - so the same system as the 2018? I couldn't find anything anywhere in the menus for recalibration, or any reference online for it.
 
#5 ·
You seem unhappy about "exclusions" you claim not to have been informed about, as though, it is Honda Canada's fault for not telling you. I always thought that was what pre-purchase research was for. I managed to do it before purchasing my 2024 Hybrid Touring. For the couple of minor enquiries I hadm my salesperson was very forthcoming and provided all of the answer to my questions.

While the manual for the Cdn model does indicate the vehicle has a TPMS system, it does NOT say that it provides you with numbers for individual tires and their actual pressures.
The system uses the tone rings from the ABS system to measure tire rotation differences, to alert to check tire pressures yourself.
The Homelink garage door opener mirror is now an option that you can have installed.
 
#6 ·
I'm not trying to apportion blame - but I feel that Honda Canada do have an obligation to at least make their manuals accurate - no? Or at least my saleperson could have given me the heads-up about recent exclusions.

I don't want numbers for individual tires - I want anything that warns me of low tire pressure, like my 2018 Touring had - as a minimum. The 2025 doesn't even have that. Like I said, I research a lot but there are certain things that I simply expected to be included (or rather did not expect to be excluded). I would have thought some kind of tire pressure monitoring, having been present for years previously, would have been included.

I am aware that I can have a garage door opener added as an option, but again I was surprised it wasn't there. I'm not paying $300+ for that feature - and I solved it by buying another visor-clip door opener for $10 from Amazon.

The purpose of my post was to highlight some of the exclusions I had the misfortune to have overlooked - not that it would be a deal breaker, but maybe could have helped me in the negotiation stages of my purchase.
 
#10 ·
I'm not trying to apportion blame - but I feel that Honda Canada do have an obligation to at least make their manuals accurate - no? Or at least my saleperson could have given me the heads-up about recent exclusions.

I don't want numbers for individual tires - I want anything that warns me of low tire pressure, like my 2018 Touring had - as a minimum. The 2025 doesn't even have that. Like I said, I research a lot but there are certain things that I simply expected to be included (or rather did not expect to be excluded). I would have thought some kind of tire pressure monitoring, having been present for years previously, would have been included.

I am aware that I can have a garage door opener added as an option, but again I was surprised it wasn't there. I'm not paying $300+ for that feature - and I solved it by buying another visor-clip door opener for $10 from Amazon.

The purpose of my post was to highlight some of the exclusions I had the misfortune to have overlooked - not that it would be a deal breaker, but maybe could have helped me in the negotiation stages of my purchase.
I'm still somewhat confused about your statement about the manual not being accurate. Here's the page straight out of the manual for my 2024:
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I thought this was fairly honest and accurate. As TPMS stands for Tire Pressure Monitoring System, and nothing else, there was no claim or statement to the effect that the Honda TPMS displayed individual numbers.
As I understand the system, if you get the orange TPMS light displaying, it is telling you that you should look at each tire and check their pressures manually. Please correct if I am mistaken.

This taken from Honda Canada spec page:
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#11 · (Edited)
Well I'm getting conflicting information from all over the place so I called Honda Canada 5 minutes ago. The representative has just advised me that there is "no monitoring of any kind" in regards to tire pressures on any CRV Hybrid (She says from 2023-2025, which I'm finding hard to believe). She was unable to advise why the manual says that there is monitoring (I bought the car on Jan 3rd 2025 - so 3 days into 2025 and the manual is already wrong). Maybe you understand now why I called the manual inaccurate?

So as an owner of the 2024 model, have you ever actually seen this warning? Like I said - I don't really care about the specific numbers, I just want a warning that I have low pressure.
 
#12 ·
Well I'm getting conflicting information from all over the place so I called Honda Canada 5 minutes ago. The representative has just advised me that there is "no monitoring of any kind" in regards to tire pressures on any CRV Hybrid (She says from 2023-2025, which I'm finding hard to believe). She was unable to advise why the manual says that there is monitoring (I bought the car on Jan 3rd 2025 - so 3 days into 2025 and the manual is already wrong).

So as an owner of the 2024 model, have you ever actually seen this warning? Like I said - I don't really care about the specific numbers, I just want a warning that I have low pressure.
If you scroll through the “Vehicle Setiings” icon on your center screen you should find a TPMS calibration screen. That should answer the question of whether you have a system or not. Honda phone reps frequently are clueless.
 
#19 ·
Just a thought from the cheap seats…
Decode your VIN for the manufacturing plant. If it was built in Alliston, Ontario (H code and a 2 for the first digit) it likely would not have TPMS as it is not required.

That may not mean that it does not have the capability. You could check with your service manager to see if it can be activated with the dealers Honda scan tool.
 
#26 ·
Well, the plot thickens. I have called the dealer to see if it's a feature that can be "activated" with their software tools. Just to confuse me further, while driving today the sun was shining on the dash and there IS a Low Tire Pressure Warning Icon (albeit unilluminated). This is all I really want - a warning if the tires are getting low pressure. The inflator has a gauge on it, so I don't need the dash to display the numbers. So I wonder if (a) there IS already an active pressure sensor or (b) it could be "activated". We'll see.
 
#35 ·
I owned a Hyundai Elantra hybrid limited for awhile. I liked the mileage (50+) but something just didn’t “feel right” about it. It drove well and all, just didn’t seem as if it would last like a Honda. I had a 2006 Civic with 396,000 miles on it and it was still going strong when I sold it ($2500) in 2018. It still looked great too! It was hard to find someone to come look at it because of the mileage but the one person that did bought it right away. He knew it would go another 300,000 miles(if his daughter didn’t wreck it first 😜). I’ve owned Toyotas too and looked at the RAV4 hybrid before deciding on the CRV.
 
#47 ·
Got no skin in the game, but I downloaded the CRV Owners Manual from Honda Canada web site. honda.ca/manuals
Pg 468 clearly describes the TPMS, but also denotes it wit a "US Models" indicator....so...could very well be that the Canadian models do not have it...

Seems silly to me, as it is truly a software enable/disable. I guarantee all the hardware is there between the two models to pull it off because the indirect system just counts wheel revolutions.

That said, as a user of the indirect system for several years...it often goes off when there are large temperature changes from one day to the next. Perhaps Honda Canada grew tired of false indications....
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#49 ·
I research the death out of things before I buy them, but there are a few things that slipped past me when I bought my 2025 Touring Hybrid (Canadian Edition) last week, that I am just discovering. I wonder how many other people realize these issues before buying? I am switchiing from a 2018 Touring, that had all these features. Who'd have thought that 7 years later they'd be removing them?
  • No spare tire!
  • No TPMS! Although if you Google "2025 CRV Touring Hybrid Canada TPMS" the A.I. response says that it is included. The PDF manual also says it's included AND the owners manual (Canadian Edition) says it's included. I wonder what Honda Canada would have to say about that if I pushed the issue - probably a disclaimer somewhere in the smallprint that says they can add/remove features whenever they feel like it, without notice. I guess I'll end up getting an after market thing from Amazon. So not only do I not know if my tire is punctured, I also have nothing to swap it for! Bizarre.
  • Panoramic Roof. Gone.
  • Garage door opener. Gone.
  • LED Turn signals. Gone. Replaced with bulbs (that may as well be candles) that glow slowly and dimly, on and off like a 1920 Model T Ford. I immediately replaced these with aftermarket LED's (Lasfit T3 Canbus). Took 30 seconds and look fantastic. I'd say these are essential for good visibility, especially when caught in blizzard conditions here in Canada.
Anyone else missing these features? I realize we (in Canada) get the heated steering wheel and heated rear seats etc, but it would have been nice to get a heads up about the exclusions on the new models. View attachment 174641
I'm glad that my 1.5T LX has
  • A spare Tire 🏅
  • No sunroof whatsoever. A must NOT have at 6'4.
Saved over $11K CAD + Taxes + Cost of borrowing which I figure close to $17K in total when compared to a Hybrid touring purchase and I am beyond pleased with the value proposition.

LED turn signal is a DIY upgrade. You can also add aftermarket TPMS, or just top it off at Costco once a month. Garage door opener clipped to sun visor...
 
#51 ·
I feel like the real problem is not that it's missing documentation, or buyers aren't being warned, but things that seem basic are missing. Case in point the windshield washer level or Homelink or spare tire. Things that have been commonplace in cars for years if not decades.

I am really enjoying my new CRV (first time Honda buyer), but there are some omissions that I didn't even think that I'd need to check and confirm.
 
#59 ·
I am about to pull the trigger on this exact same CRV model - Hybrid Touring in the Canyon Blue color. I live in Ontario, Canada.

I agree with you no TPMS, panoramic sunroof, garage door opener, LED turn signals; not to mention fog lights are unacceptable for a C$60k car with taxes. I bought my 2018 Odyssey Touring brand new, cost me C$55k with taxes back then and that even had TPMS, all LED lights, fog lights and garage door opener. Honda is cutting corners to save costs; hope they don't impact reliability.

Nonetheless, how do you like the car? I test drove this and the RAV4. The CRV is a lot quieter and smoother. The interior is also nicer than the RAV4. I am a bit worry about the long-term reliability of the Honda Hybrid system. Anything that came up from your research that you can share if possible?

Lastly, can you please share which led turn signal light you bought and do you have aftermarket fog lights installed, if so which brand do you recommend.

Thanks!
 
#60 ·
I’ve had mine (same touring hybrid model) for over a year now and no issues whatsoever. It all depends on what you’re looking for and comparing it against but I’ve been very happy with the CRV Hybrid. I tend to focus on the positive attributes and what vehicle has vs what it’s lacking as there is no perfect vehicle. A lot of those features lacking can be addressed by cheaper after market items other than the pano sunroof (which I don’t care for). I had dealer install the $437 homelink rearview mirror and bought a $45 TPMS from Amazon.

I initially wanted a RAV4 hybrid or a Lexus hybrid but the long wait times of at least a year plus the added dealer markups turned me off. At least with the Honda dealer I bought from, vehicle was on the lot, no add‘l dealer markups or hidden fees and Honda Cda had a $1K bonus. Good luck with your decision and purchase.