I did an oil change at 1,500 miles, 5,000 miles, and basically every 5-7.5k, depending on what oil I used, since then.

Most people will say to change it via the OLM but I’m more cautious than that. It’s entirely up to you what you want to do. The best way to go about it is to do UOAs each oil change and then monitor from there.

 

You simply do when the MM tells you - that's around 10k miles or one year, whichever comes first.
Those miles may vary based on how you drive, so use the MM, not just miles on the odometer.

Don't try to be smarter than the people who engineered the engine. Remember - Honda is betting a lot more money than you are on being right since there is a 60k warranty on drivetrain, and they have a lot of cars on the road - not to mention their reputation.

#This was edited to correct the warrant information.

 

You simply do when the MM tells you - that's around 10k miles or one year, whichever comes first.
Those miles may vary based on how you drive, so use the MM, not just miles on the odometer.

Don't try to be smarter than the people who engineered the engine. Remember - Honda is betting a lot more money than you are on being right since there is a 100k warranty on drivetrain, and they have a lot of cars on the road.

Where are you getting 100k warranty?

And most of your argument is an appeal to authority fallacy.

 

@Spectreniner , yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking as well. Every 5K is about where I am on my 2012. The Maintenance Minder wants to go to 7500, and maybe that's appropriate for someone who does 10-12K a year, but my average now is back up over 15K/year right now (pre-pandemic I was doing 18-20K for a few years, then it dropped to less than 8K/yr 2020-2023).

Of course, the big difference here is the hybrid that maybe won't get quite as many miles on the ICE as a non-hybrid. I think that's really why I was asking, and maybe the point @JakeTheWonderDog was trying to make.
I tend towards a more conservative maintenance plan so I can keep my cars for a long time despite my more aggressive driving style.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that it is a hybrid engine, not the normal 1.5l turbo, which definitely needs oil changes sooner than 7.5k. Most off the shelf oils are good (speaking of TBN strictly) of about 6-7k miles. Then you have oils like Mobil 1 Extended Performance, which is going to go for longer. But yeah, if you’re having dealer do the changes on Honda oil, I’d stick to 5k, maybeeeee 6k. But that’s me.

 

The point I'm trying to make is exactly what I said: Don't think you are smarter than the team who designed the engine - they really do know better than you and I when to change the oil.
Engines have changed, they are cleaner and more precise than they ever were. Oil has also changed, it's synthetic and is better than it's ever been. And yes, the ICE on the hybrid is going to be off for 10-20% of those miles. Oil lube service companies somehow came up with the "every 3k miles" and it was always bogus - but never more so than now. We still think that we have to do some odd break-in ritual too. Just let go of all of it.

I don't know what the algorithm is on the MM, but would be easy for it to track "short trips, cold weather" vs "longer trips where oil gets up to temp and has time enough to burn off moisture and such". Certainly it tracks time as well as mileage. And I don't know what "aggressive driving style" actually means, but remember the engine on the hybrid isn't really connected to the drive train except in certain situations. The torque doesn't come from a high-revving engine in its power band, it comes from a 185 hp electric motor that can deliver almost 100% torque at 0 RPM.

 

You should have a two year Maintenance agreement from the factory. Have the dealer tell you.

 

Honda used to encourage owners to leave the factory fill in for the full service interval. The logic seemed to be the molybdenum-rich assembly lubes wash into the oil and help to prevent hot spots on cylinder walls during break-in. These hot spots could create deposits on cylinder walls, compromise sealing and lead to oil consumption, etc.

I don’t know if Honda still follows this philosophy other than mentioning over and over to follow the Maintenance Minder, but I‘ve kept the factory fill in longer than usual on my Hondas. Alternatively, you could look for an oil with lots of molybdenum, like some Idemitsu products. Or it could make no difference at all…

 

Honda used to encourage owners to leave the factory fill in for the full service interval. The logic seemed to be the molybdenum-rich assembly lubes wash into the oil and help to prevent hot spots on cylinder walls during break-in. These hot spots could create deposits on cylinder walls, compromise sealing and lead to oil consumption, etc.

I don’t know if Honda still follows this philosophy other than mentioning over and over to follow the Maintenance Minder, but I‘ve kept the factory fill in longer than usual on my Hondas. Alternatively, you could look for an oil with lots of molybdenum, like some Idemitsu products. Or it could make no difference at all…

Where did you see/read this?

 

My 2 yr. new car free maintenance warranty states you will be charged for an oil change if you come in before the MM is at 15%. The first oil change on my '23 hybrid was almost one year and at 9,000 mi. because of that. I don't see that as a problem.
I check my oil frequently and even at 9,000 mi., the oil was still golden. So I do agree these Hybrid engines don't see the work load the 1.5T ICE engines do. But I do drive like an old man because.....well...I am an old man

 

When you say the oil was still “golden”, what do you mean exactly? Are you basing the condition of the oil upon the physical color of it? Or did you have a UOA performed? Or?

 

If you plan on keeping your CRV long term and have the 1.5 t no more than 5k oil changes in fact mine are even shorter since there is shorter drives. Recently went with Penzoil Ultra platinum with a noticeable difference in performance.

 

Do you have ANYTHING at all to support either claim?
I apologize for putting you on the spot, but there's already a ton of FUD - being passed off as wisdom - about oil and oil changes.
An analysis of oil that met the manufacturer's requirements and had gone the recommended replacement schedule would be the most convincing. If it were to show, for example, that the oil was past its service life, or that there was unusual wear on the engine. When I did oil analysis, it was about $50 and was really interesting what they could tell about the condition of the engine based on the trace metals in the oil. Pointing to discussion threads where people were reporting premature engine failure due to lubrication issues might be another way to support the claim. That engine is in used in other Hondas - surely lubrication failure would be widely reported.

I'm also highly skeptical about any noticeable performance improvement based on oil brand. Unless I'm missing something, the two factors with oil that would impact "performance" would be viscosity (particularly when cold) and friction. If you are using the recommended viscosity, that variable is being controlled for. If friction has been so dramatically reduced from other synthetic oils that you can tell the difference, the perpetual machine may be close at hand.

 

Sounds like a lot of fear mongering. If you want to change your oil more often that is up to you but most of us are fine following the MM. You can also extend your Hondacare coverage for cheaper than dealer warranties.

 

I have a 2016 Civic with the 1.5 turbo, and have changed the oil myself every time around the 15% oil life indicator. Car now has 300K miles and still running just fine. I plan to do the same for my 2024 1.5T.

 

I just report what I notice. There's plenty of evidence that 3500 mile oil change internals on small displacement turbo's that meet the severe status is recommended . I will take the Motor Oil Geek advice on some things.

 

Since I lease mine, I'll do what the factory says.

 

I just report what I notice. There's plenty of evidence that 3500 mile oil change internals on small displacement turbo's that meet the severe status is recommended . I will take the Motor Oil Geek advice on some things.

You can take their recommendations all day long as long as you but you need to realize that an appeal to authority argument is a fallacy in of itself. Just saying that you blindly follow them and their product just because they made it is blind regard for anything else. The rest of us are saying, “hey, maybe blindly believing them and a product that’s only designed to get you through the warranty period so they don’t have to pay out as much as they could, maybe we don’t just blindly take them at their word.” The former is saying that you think they can do no wrong and no product has ever failed prematurely or at all and has an air of arrogance surrounding it. And yes, there are engines and vehicles that have had failed components because of long OCIs due to the OLM. Fords 3.5l ecoboost with its timing components as well as some of GMs NA engines have shown this.

There is no arguing with people who blindly follow the OLM and believe the manufacturer can do no wrong so this will be my last post to you on the subject since there’s no talking any sense into you. Good day.

Lacking ANY evidence at all that Honda is giving inappropriate maintenance schedules, you are spreading FUD and passing it off as knowledge.
A simple oil test is all that you need to know for sure. It's not guesswork. Feel free to post your results if you decide to do that.
Pointing to any anecdotal reports of Honda premature engine failure due to lubrication failures would also support your claim. You didn't do that either.

 

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