Wix is better than fram by far. Imo.

I've used fram and I'm no fan. Lol

 

I too find it odd that Honda only recommends a filter change every other oil change. I change filters every time (rather I have the filter changed. I no longer do my own oil changes!

I suppose if I really needed to save $5 every 7,500-10,000 miles (or once a year) I MIGHT consider changing the filter every other time...NAH!

 

@JB in AZ : $5 for a filter? Aren't they a lot more expensive than that? Or, are you using India-sourced filters from JiffyRube?

I change filters every time as well, but if you SEARCH on BobIsTheOilGuy.com for folks who have cut open used Honda filters, the consensus is that they ARE effective for more than 20,000 miles.
BUT, some folks maintain that this is because their filtering efficiency is less when new. @Buffalo4 might comment.

Fram Ultra is comparable to the OEM Honda filters that cost 50% less. No need to be worried.

 

@JB in AZ : $5 for a filter? Aren't they a lot more expensive than that? Or, are you using India-sourced filters from JiffyRube?
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I actually don't know, I have never paid for an oil filter for one of my Hondas! LOL I just seemed to remember what some posters have mentioned here...multi packs on Amazon? or one of the known Honda dealer discount part places?

More likely, it has been so long since I actually bought an oil filter...that is what they cost "back then?" LOL Bought my first Honda in 2001. Haven't changed my own oil since...Hmm. Don't remember when...but it has been a LONG time!

JiffyRube? ROFL

Funny...were were grocery shopping yesterday, I saw JiffyPop on the shelf! Blast from the past!

 

I heard from parts auto store Wix makes filter for other as well so a brand could be Wix with different name. Mine cost me around $6 for the filter. Regardless of the filter if you change everytime the change light comes on you will be fine. It's if your racing/off roading then you might consider more frequent changes.

 

Yes as far as I know WIX makes the Purolator Filters which I started using years back great filters. I would never use a Fram in any of my cars they are just riding off the name but the quality I Find is below other brands.

I think somewhere on YT there is a video where they cut open a bunch of Oil Filters and show the construction and in the video, the parts inside etc. of the Purolator are Identical to the Wix which is higher priced.

But I would still change the filter every time and I would not use Honda to do my Oil Changes caught them years back overfilling which is not good for gaskets and seals. Maybe they figured after a few years they could get the car in for service planned by their practices of the oil changes. Not with this guy anymore.

 

nobody i know does this every other change. i buy either honda ones or purolator boss. i do mine every 5k. i like to keep oil in a timing chain engine as clean and fresh as possible within reason.

 

Well, I do. Keep in mind the Honda oil filter holds .2 quarts or about 4% of the total contained in the engine. This hardly will make a difference especially because even with a filter change, short of a complete tear-down, one can’t drain all the old oil out of an engine. Plus, not changing the filter avoids one more start-up with a longer period of no oil pressure while the filter fills.

 

I tried to skip the filter last oil change, but I started shaking and sweating. Figured changing the filter was cheaper than guilt and therapy, so I changed it. I feel much better for it.

 

I change the filter every time. At one time in the past, I cut open a bunch of them to see the innards. Since then, I’ve pretty much used every brand of filter. I personally don’t prefer the Fram/Honeywell with the cardboard end caps, and fewer number of filter pleats … current in my garage, there are a bunch of K&N oil filter to go through.

 

Past owner, bought new, kept a log book on maintenance and he changed the filter every other oil change. So I was just curious on who does it.

So far the biggest job I had someone do was changing the oil crank seal. Knocks on wood.

 

Fram's The Worst Filter on the Market.
If You're gonna skip, get a good one like a NAPA.

 

I agree with you on the Fram.

Yes as far as I know WIX makes the Purolator Filters which I started using years back great filters. I would never use a Fram in any of my cars they are just riding off the name but the quality I Find is below other brands.

I think somewhere on YT there is a video where they cut open a bunch of Oil Filters and show the construction and in the video, the parts inside etc. of the Purolator are Identical to the Wix which is higher priced.

But I would still change the filter every time and I would not use Honda to do my Oil Changes caught them years back overfilling which is not good for gaskets and seals. Maybe they figured after a few years they could get the car in for service planned by their practices of the oil changes. Not with this guy anymore.

 

2017 CRV EX-L Turbo with Nav. Many. many years ago before Synthetic oil became a thing I had a Mazda for which the recommendation was to change the oil every 7,500 miles & change the filter every other oil change. I put about 400,000 miles on the car with standard oil using that procedure; however filters are so cheap that it seems logical to change the filter at the same time that the oil is changed.

Although the dealer did not tell me, I found that my current CRV dealer does a package deal to replace the oil and filter at the same time with every MM oil change. The package deal makes the whole package fairly cheap so I don't have any complaints with changing the filter with every oil change. I think that it makes sense and provides an extra margin of protection to change the oil filter every time the oil is changed.

 

I always change the filter when changing the oil, 1st reason is the oil filter hold oil and if you change the oil only you didn't get the old oil out that's in the filter and it mixes with the fresh oil. 2nd reason is filters are cheep so why not.

 

You're talking barely 1/4 of a quart of "used" oil still in the filter/area. It's okay.

 

I change the filter every time. The Honda filters are about $6 each when you buy a multi pack on Amazon.

 

Like most others, I've always changed the filter every time I change oil. I just don't trust keeping the old filter in, though it's probably okay if you use a decent quality filter. But for saving 8-10 bucks, I don't find that cutting corners on this item is something I want to do.

 

Fram Ultra ftw. Easily one of the best filters one can buy/use.

 

I drive short trips around town and change filters every oil change. My changes are most often by time rather than miles. Mobil One and Purolator have filters about an inch longer than most.

 

I change mine every oil filer change light indicator and check oil levels each week and refill as needed.

 

I do every other on everything except my street bike. And yes, Fram Ultra or Tough are the only ways to fly. This despite guys who haven't actually done the research quoting yesterdays myths. As those that have done the work know, the BITOG guys are for-real serious, and the Fram OCoD flaying is a thing of the past. Mind your the OCoD is still junk, but the Fram upper stuff is as good as it gets.

Wix is a decent backup, but they were bought by Hammel-Mann, and if anybody is claiming they know about oil filters they should know what that means.

 

Look up on Youtube, Project Farm. He does comparison test on everyday items. The one he did on oil filters showed Fram to be the worst.

 

Weiss:
Kind sir, if you're using a guy that tests something at least weekly, and with as little tribology knowledge as he has as your information source there is little I can do to help. Let me wish you well in your individual choices and encourge you to use a really good air fitler. (NOT a K&N).

BTW, he's done some entry level oil tests and air filter tests, I don't believe he's done anything on oil filters. Tangentially, I now consider him to be one of the many trying to post content to make money, I'm no longer inclined to consider him a quality data source.

Readers:
There are legion of tests done on the most respective oil forum on the planet, BITOG, and the upper tier frams (Tough Guard and Ultra Guard) are consistently considered the best. I would just love to tell you I'm in some of those guy's classes, but some of those guys are stone killers. Mula K, as one example, is a petro chem professor, and he's far from alone in offering some brilliant insights. Killer knowledge their, I'm a babe in their shadow.

For that matter, one can do research on filter beta ratios, lean what that means, and compare filter specification on your own. You might even want to learn who makes what filters, who does and doesn't release specs on filtration performance, and etc.. It's an interesting world. If you do that I suggest you learn what "white-washed data" means early on.

Here, however is how it rolls out:

1) If you're using a cheap filter, any cheap oil filter, it's better than nothing but not by lots. That includes a cheap Fram.

2) The two best filters at filtering the particles sizes you care about are Fram Ultraguard and ToughGuard (tied) as well as Purolaters top filters. However, Purolators mfg. process is known to create media tears and some, myself included, moved away from them when their new owner (mann hammel) implemented that process.

3) Next comes Wix. They have slightly worse beta ratios, but they don't (yet) have a tear problem. Mann Hammel owns them now though, so tick-tock.

4) Boutique filters vary. K&N won't even release a spec on theirs, and in general it's prolly better to avoid them, an M1 branded filter, and etc. Last I knew many where made by champion, but I've not looked at this for a few years so my memory may be poor.

BTW, Fram makes Honda's oil filers. Just saying....

Many, it not all, Fram hate comes from their "Orange Can Of Death" filter, known as the OCoD in triblogy circles. Not a good filter, so that's that, but there is a market for cheap.

Hope this helps the next guy,

-d

 

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Purolator is my favorate brand. It is a great filter manufactured in the USA by MANN+HUMMEL a giant globe company, which also makes WIX and many other brands. My second choice is Mobil ONE, which is made by Champion Labs who, I think also make K&N.

 

Fram Sucks and NAPA makes Great filters.
My shop uses NAPA.

 

Thanks for the replies guys/gals. Unfortunately, I don't see any purolator filters up here in Canada, well at least in Winnipeg. I'd give that a try.

I changed my oil(ST 5w20 FS) and Napa Gold filter. I changed it at 7000km OCI. So the napa brand filter are made by wix? The parts guy said they had 3 tiers of filter, the pro select, gold, and platinum. Is the platinum equivalent to the Wix XP extreme duty?

Manual states 8000km OCI, but I've been using the crv for short trips/idle this past few months.

 

Thanks for the replies guys/gals. Unfortunately, I don't see any purolator filters up here in Canada, well at least in Winnipeg. I'd give that a try.

I changed my oil(ST 5w20 FS) and Napa Gold filter. I changed it at 7000km OCI. So the napa brand filter are made by wix? The parts guy said they had 3 tiers of filter, the pro select, gold, and platinum. Is the platinum equivalent to the Wix XP extreme duty?

Manual states 8000km OCI, but I've been using the crv for short trips/idle this past few months.

Pennzoil platinum is $15 after rebate at crappy tire right now. I’d even do less than 7k km when it’s that cheap.

 

My opinion: Use oil filters that remove particles 20 microns or greater and are 99% efficient. Use oil that is API SN or higher. Change oil and filter regularly. Use a high-quality air filter change often.