[m&m]

I am a proud owner of a 2015 Touring edition CRV and yes notice the vibration at idle after warming up. Sits around 600 rpm. More annoying is the vehicle shudder when in town between 10-40 mph, especially with ECON mode turned on. I like to drive "in the green" so very gentle on the pedal. When coasting tach reads 1500 rpm. Ease on the gas pedal and tach drops to 1100 rpm and vehicle shudders until you give it much more gas to get above 1500 rpm. Let go of the gas and it drops to 1100 rpm, engine studders than recovers back to 1500 rpm. I attribute this to the CRV transmission and gas pedal position. They are trying to optimize engine rpm against the CRT transmission and are being overly agressive on the set points established in the transmission. Having the engine rpm drop that low is putting too much strain on the engine. I would rather have a bit worse gas mileage and have the set point above the coasting speed of 1500 rpm. I am thinking this is a flaw for sure. I saw the same issue reported with 2013 Accord which has the same engine/CRT tranny as the new 2015 CRV. I actually brought the CRV in today to report the problem - picking it up in 10 minutes. I suspect they will have no clue what I am talking about since no TSB will be out soon. Maybe in 6-12 months Honda engineers will have enough complaints to change the computer programming to change the rpm characteristics agains the CRT set points. Will keep you updated.

 

[Feldman]

Hello everyone,

We would like to apologize if customers are experiencing anything unusual with the drive-ability of the vehicle. We would like to confirm if this is an issue or a characteristic of the vehicle. We would like to welcome customers to visit their local Honda dealership for a diagnosis. If you need further assistance with the dealership, I can assist. If interested, please private message us with your full name, VIN, mileage and dealer so we can better assist you.


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Jonathan
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Hello Jonathan,

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate you looking into this. I will be contacting you.

 

[Feldman]

If you have only experienced the 600 rpm vibration, you are lucky. Mine consistently drops to just above the 500 - 525? and it is terrible. The 600 is much more tolerable.

I have not experienced the other issue (yet?). I know nothing of mechanics, but maybe both of these problems are related?

I am completely with you on the mpg - better to have no vibrations than a slightly higher mpg!

I really hope it does not take that long for a fix to come.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

 

[Feldman]

I am a proud owner of a 2015 Touring edition CRV and yes notice the vibration at idle after warming up. Sits around 600 rpm. More annoying is the vehicle shudder when in town between 10-40 mph, especially with ECON mode turned on. I like to drive "in the green" so very gentle on the pedal. When coasting tach reads 1500 rpm. Ease on the gas pedal and tach drops to 1100 rpm and vehicle shudders until you give it much more gas to get above 1500 rpm. Let go of the gas and it drops to 1100 rpm, engine studders than recovers back to 1500 rpm. I attribute this to the CRV transmission and gas pedal position. They are trying to optimize engine rpm against the CRT transmission and are being overly agressive on the set points established in the transmission. Having the engine rpm drop that low is putting too much strain on the engine. I would rather have a bit worse gas mileage and have the set point above the coasting speed of 1500 rpm. I am thinking this is a flaw for sure. I saw the same issue reported with 2013 Accord which has the same engine/CRT tranny as the new 2015 CRV. I actually brought the CRV in today to report the problem - picking it up in 10 minutes. I suspect they will have no clue what I am talking about since no TSB will be out soon. Maybe in 6-12 months Honda engineers will have enough complaints to change the computer programming to change the rpm characteristics agains the CRT set points. Will keep you updated.

If you have only experienced the 600 rpm vibration, you are lucky. Mine consistently drops to just above the 500 - 525? and it is terrible. The 600 is much more tolerable.

I have not experienced the other issue (yet?). I know nothing of mechanics, but maybe both of these problems are related?

I am completely with you on the mpg - better to have no vibrations than a slightly higher mpg!

I really hope it does not take that long for a fix to come.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

PS Sorry for the double post - still learning how to use this website.

 

[hondo]

Just came from visiting multiple local dealers. Each had just one 15 with Navi and we wanted to buy several so would have combined the purchase so that all cars could have been picked up from one dealer at the same time.

Each car was tested and it was evident they all suffered from this malfunction.

 

[m&m]

If you have only experienced the 600 rpm vibration, you are lucky. Mine consistently drops to just above the 500 - 525? and it is terrible. The 600 is much more tolerable.

I have not experienced the other issue (yet?). I know nothing of mechanics, but maybe both of these problems are related?

I am completely with you on the mpg - better to have no vibrations than a slightly higher mpg!

I really hope it does not take that long for a fix to come.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

PS Sorry for the double post - still learning how to use this website.

Well the dealer took the CRV out for a whole whopping 5km (3mi) drive in sub-zero weather and of course could not reproduce the problem. I told them the car had to be warmed up, so back to the dealer in 2 weeks since they are fully booked up now selling and changing snow tires. This time I am taking the service manager for a drive and will demonstrate the tachometer dipping and the vehicle shudder issue "and" the vibration at idle 600 rpm. I submitted online both issues to Honda Canada yesterday.

Do any of you other 2015 owners experience the tachometer dipping down to 1100 on light acceleration and vehicle shudder while driving around in town, both when slightly pressing or releasing the gas pedal? I am curious what the reading on your tachometer is when you are coasting at around 40 mph. My tach sits at 1500 rpm. Thanks!

 

[Oons]

I just got back from my dealer regarding the shaking at idle. They were very helpful and tried to retrain the idle speed according to Honda's instructions a few times to no effect. They contacted Honda directly while I was there and the dealer reported back to me that this issue was a feature of these vehicles rather than a flaw. Honda advised the dealer to show me other 2015 crvs and they all have this shaking to a certain extent at no-load idle though mine appears a little more pronounced.

I am really hoping for an update soon.

 

[Feldman]

I just got back from my dealer regarding the shaking at idle. They were very helpful and tried to retrain the idle speed according to Honda's instructions a few times to no effect. They contacted Honda directly while I was there and the dealer reported back to me that this issue was a feature of these vehicles rather than a flaw. Honda advised the dealer to show me other 2015 crvs and they all have this shaking to a certain extent at no-load idle though mine appears a little more pronounced.

I am really hoping for an update soon.

Well, your dealer sounds very helpful. It is really a shame that Honda considers this an acceptable condition for their cars. I compared my idle another 2015 crv and mine too was more pronounced. I have filmed my idle rpms and plan on showing my dealer - we were not able to reproduce the most pronounced idle vibration in the other car.

Did you ask them about an update? It would give me hope if I knew Honda can / would do it.

Thanks for reporting back - I hope more people will.

 

[vikingo]

I just got back from an hour long test drive of the 2015 crv (se option package with awd) and can confirm there is a definite vibration issue when accelerating below 1500 rpm. The salesperson gave the car to my wife and I to test drive for the afternoon on our own and I was able to replicate the issue 100% of the time. The outside temperature was around 10 degrees celcius and the roads were dry.

The vibration was very noticible to myself through the steering wheel and also to my wife sitting in the front passenger seat. The first time I felt it I thought I was driving over rough pavement. It is a constant annoynance in stop and go traffic when the engine is often below 1500 rpm. It just feels wrong.

I reported the issue to the service desk thinking that we had a lemon on our hands. The guy behind the desk replied that this is a known issue and that his co-worker is also experiencing the issue in a 2015 that he bought for himself. He said that they think this is related to the atkinson cycle of the engine and are hoping that there will be an ecu fix in the future.

I was sad to hand the keys back to the salesperson. It has all the options that I am looking for in a car in my price range but this was the deal breaker. I am actually putting off buying a new car until the new year. I like this crv so much I am willing to wait to see if Honda can resolve this with an ecu patch. Otherwise, hello cx-5.

 

[Ratchet]

As noted by Grumpypants (post #4 above), the low-rpm vibration described in this thread has been discussed extensively. Owners of V-6 automobiles have similarly, ahem, "concerns" with regard to Honda's VCM (variable cylinder management) system, which as the name of the system suggests, varies the timing and firing sequence of the engine at specific rpm and engine-load conditions, and gives rise to similar engine-vibration complaints. Simply stated, these systems, which have inherent compromises, enable Honda to meet the federal government's emissions requirements while delivering the fuel-economy demanded by consumers. Toyotas, Subarus, Fords, BMWs, et al., all have similar, unique characteristics of their own. Fortunately, aside from the (minor?) irritation they cause new owners, these emission-control technologies have been tested extensively --i.e., for years -- before they were put into production, and they are mechanically benign. I doubt that Honda (or Toyota, Subaru, Ford, etc.) will ever acknowledge this with such candor -- 'tis better to express sympathetic concern to new owners (see post #20 above) -- but given the requirements of federal emissions laws and our desire to breath clean air, such is the state of automobile engineering in the 21st century. Finally, the ECM (engine management module) cannot be "re-flashed" to raise the engine rpm, because if that were done, it would raise the exhaust emissions at idle in violation of federal law.

(There is a practical, self-help work-around, by the way: Shift to neutral at traffic lights. Voila! no vibration.)

 

[vikingo]

The "issue" or "characteristic" or however one decides to perceive this is not limited to vibration at idle. Switching into neutral might alleviate this annoyance at idle but I personally lose confidence in the engineering when the vibration is so pronounced when accelerating at low speeds. I have to wonder if this relatively new cvt technology will demonstrate the reliability and longevity of the Honda engines and transmissions of the past. No way to tell but I think you're right that an ecu flash will not be offered as a way to smooth things out. This will most certainly affect the emissions rating. I guess we just have to accept that this is indeed a characteristic of the new power train.

 

[Guerinkeywest]

Perhaps we can get Honda to amend the owners manual. It can say "whenever you come to a complete stop you should put the gearshift lever into neutral to avoid dental problems." Then they won't have to retest for EPA.

As noted by Grumpypants (post #4 above), the low-rpm vibration described in this thread has been discussed extensively. Owners of V-6 automobiles have similarly, ahem, "concerns" with regard to Honda's VCM (variable cylinder management) system, which as the name of the system suggests, varies the timing and firing sequence of the engine at specific rpm and engine-load conditions, and gives rise to similar engine-vibration complaints. Simply stated, these systems, which have inherent compromises, enable Honda to meet the federal government's emissions requirements while delivering the fuel-economy demanded by consumers. Toyotas, Subarus, Fords, BMWs, et al., all have similar, unique characteristics of their own. Fortunately, aside from the (minor?) irritation they cause new owners, these emission-control technologies have been tested extensively --i.e., for years -- before they were put into production, and they are mechanically benign. I doubt that Honda (or Toyota, Subaru, Ford, etc.) will ever acknowledge this with such candor -- 'tis better to express sympathetic concern to new owners (see post #20 above) -- but given the requirements of federal emissions laws and our desire to breath clean air, such is the state of automobile engineering in the 21st century. Finally, the ECM (engine management module) cannot be "re-flashed" to raise the engine rpm, because if that were done, it would raise the exhaust emissions at idle in violation of federal law.

(There is a practical, self-help work-around, by the way: Shift to neutral at traffic lights. Voila! no vibration.)

 

[tinmanx]

Damn it! I just bought a 2015 over the weekend and noticed this problem on the way home. I figure it would go away after the engine has been broken in.

Oh well, guess my wife was right, it's a massage feature. I don't really mind as long as it doesn't shake itself to pieces.

 

[hondo]

Crossposted from the ROC forum, Joe(Csimo) ...

Originally Posted by csimo View Post
The word on the street is that Ito will be GONE by March, 2015. Good riddance. He has run Honda into the ground.

Things are starting to look better. Honda was developed with quality over quantity, but that changed under Ito. Quantity was much more important that quality. Ito has admitted his mistakes and somehow avoided being thrown out (until the March meeting at least). He has broken tradition by not retiring.

It's looking like there will be a clean sweep at the top if one certain person is placed in charge by the board. That is the best case scenario.

In Ito's defense he has admitted his mistakes and Honda is scrambling to return to the quality over quantity model, but with the Takata airbag and the TERRIBLE MDX IQS survey they have a LONG way to go.

The bottom line is that Honda does not have the resources to make the needed changes now. It will take years even if Ito and his regime is removed and a more progressive regime takes over.

For now Honda is WAY behind the curve, and trails many other manufacturers. Ito is personally responsible for two HUGE failures... the Civic debacle, and now the Fit out of Mexico. Ito might know how to build a race car, but he has no idea how to run a major automotive company and will not accept his shortcomings. Only apologize.

Ito has run Honda into the ground. Honda quality absolutely SUCKS right now and top engineers are working on issues at assembly plants and port of entry rather than developing superior new products. The Earth Dreams engine does not even come close to meeting the goals. The purchase of the ZF 10-HP is a good move that can compensate for Honda's overly complicated and inefficient engines by today's standards.

I believe all of the above to be true. All you Honda fan boys can hate on me all you want. I know the numbers and they don't lie.

 

[hondo]

...to wait to see if Honda can resolve this with an ecu patch. Otherwise, hello cx-5.

Don't ignore the Kia Sportage SX with Luxury package

 

[hondo]

Here is the discussion thread on Honda then and now

 

[ies102]

I like all the feature and style in CRV but this vibration issue is big deal for me.
What other Car should I look for?
Forester? Rav4? any suggestion?

 

[donkim]

We own a 2014 CRV and ours has a rough idle. We also had an 05 that behaved similarly. Ours isn't always rough, guess it just depends on the idle speed. Why is it that Honda can't fix this shortcoming? I thought for sure w/the new direct injection engine they would have addressed this. Does this "feature" also affect the Accord since its the same engine?

 

[MRCRV2015]

I just picked up a 2015 EX CRV. It's my fourth CRV and I love everything about it, EXCEPT this aggressive vibrating issue. I was at the light one afternoon alone, I looked at my passenger seat and it looked as if the seat was having some form of a seizure. It was shaking really bad. I also noticed that when this happens if I were to turn on either the center or dome light it starts flickering. Not as on/off flicking, more so like from bright to dim repeatedly. It also happened with my headlights one night. I contacted the dealer, he said to drop if off to get it checked out. I'll keep you all posted. This is not good!! I feel like I should of waited a little longer. Everything else is great about the car which is annoying. I don't want to conform to this issue. Hopefully it can be addressed.

 

[daveeboy]

I just purchased a 2015 last week. I hope that the vibration isn't too bad.
I'm still waiting for pickup. But this is worrying.

Anything we can do in order to minimize the vibration for now?

Drop it in neutral at stops.
Run it in sport mode (I heard it changes the mapping to raise the rpm)


It's not ideal and I hope Honda fixes this. But minimizing the vibration right now may help in the long run.



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