That could be any number of things. I'd start with the basics: how miles are you at? When was each of the last fluid changes? Last air filter? Where are you located, what type of terrain and road surface, split of local/highway miles, are you in eco mode, etc? Can you post picture of your fuel efficiency numbers in the Trip view of the console? Did you previously get better mpg, if so when and what has changed, etc... Tough to diagnose online but I'd start with those, scan for codes and look at likely causes or a mechanics assessment

 

Thanks for responding. I am at 17,600 Mi. I bought the vehicle used from a dealership in July of this year. As far as the last changes I'm not sure but the oil is currently showing at 50% life. I'm not in eco mode and I am suburb of a large city so it's mostly regular streets or highways. Actually I believe it's been going on for a bit. the car came came with horrible tires on it and it was out of alignment when I had new ones put on last month. I figured that could have been a factor but no change. I actually spoke with two different service managers. When I first got the car and it was low I was told to reset the system as the mileage per gallon is based on the driving habits. As a new owner it was still including the driving habits of the old one. The other service manager said that was bullpucky as there is no way that would stay in memory and sounded ridiculous. Especially with the 14 gallon tank it seems like I get about 300 and some odd miles till empty. I'm adding two pictures to this post. One is to show the trip with miles per gallon that it says I'm currently getting. Also I had filled 14 gallon tank and it says what I have left to E and then I took another picture of the trip counter of how far I've actually gone since I filled it. It's a little over 300 miles total on a full tank

 

If you are doing a lot of short trips, stop and go traffic, or a lot of idling then this seems pretty normal to me. My 1.5t gets killer fuel economy but I do mostly highway.

For instance, my wife does mostly city and short trips in our Odyssey, the sticker says we should get 19 city....last tank was 15.8 and currently reads 14.

 

Mine is a 2020 EXL AWD and the highest mpg I’ve ever gotten was 21.5. Unless something changed from 2020 to 2022, I’d see it as being normal. There are so many factors that go into it, even tires, that I just gave up and decided to accept it as it is. Should you decide to take it somewhere, do your research and find someone honest and reputable. You don’t want a mechanic equivalent to a snake oil salesman upselling you a thousand or more in repairs. P.S. Dealer service centers are full of them, too.

 

Thanks for responding. As I said I have a guy I have trusted with all our cars for over a dozen years but I still have the warranty available if I need it. I would go to him but on the chance it could be a covered issue I want to have it looked at. I talked to two different dealerships today and they told me to drive it for a few months and see how it does. But when that one told me about the 'reset' and the other one said it wasn't true I figured if it could be a cop out to get me to go out of warranty and then find something to address.

 

When you reset “Trip A” or it auto resets on fill up the avg mpg goes to zero. Then you drive 40 mi and it reads 20.2. That is the avg between zero and what the latest reading is.
If you want the real mpg, mark your current odometer reading, fill up, drive about 150 mi, fill up again then take the difference between the original odo reading and the current reading and divide that by the amount of fuel you just put in and you will get a number close to your actual mpg.

The dash gauge will only give you a decent reading after driving about 3/4 of a tank.

 

Thanks to everyone who responds. I did not expect this much but I am truly grateful.

I actually filled the tank about 2 days ago and reset the Trip A to 0. Once I go about 150 I will fill it again and check the math.

 

Oh dang, my odometer right now over like 12k miles on this current odometer is 29.3mpg but 98% of my driving is highway 70-75mph.

 

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. Your odometer is off how?

 

Just Ducky makes a good point, the computer may be a little off so you could track fill ups and mileage and work out the math.

If you go into the center console, select the Info tab and hit Trip Computer, then hit History of Trip A. it should show the vehicle mileage history. If it's been deleted, that might raise my eyebrows but you never know.

I'd still check your fluids and consider changing them if there's nothing else to go on. Make sure you get OEM transmission and rear diff fluid. Check the oil and filter. I got a measureable improvement after changing my rear diff fluid.

Switch Eco mode on and see if that changes anything.

Check tire pressure and anything else that may affect mpg.

You could have a mechanic check it or take back to the point of sale - that's a substantial difference from the stated fuel economy so they may have some clues.

 

I did check what you asked in the info screen and have a couple of pictures.

The numbers DO not show the accurate current drive as I had reset the system according to what the dealer said. But just comparing yours to mine is a big difference.

When I had the alignment issue supposedly the dealership did a 45 point check including fluids.

I never use Eco mode but I could try.

The tire pressure was checked when they aligned it last week and all were good, also the tires were just put on new a month ago.

The only issue with the point of sale is that it is about an hour and 45 minute drive, I got a heck of a deal so I expanded my search a bit. Since I had the full warranty until January I figured any Honda Dealership could service it.

 

Have you manually calculated your mileage from fill-up to fillup?...miles driven vs gallons need to fill tank?
I kept a log on all my fill-ups vs miles for over 20 tank full-ups...and from memory I believe is averaged around 31+mpg.That was on a 2015 EX. And probably 1/3 hiway, 1/3 city, and 1/3 country roads.

That car is not here presently-so the actual numbers in my log book and in the car.

Edit: Corrected! ➡ actually 28.4 average over 30 tank fills

 

Have you manually calculated your mileage from fill-up to fillup?...miles driven vs gallons need to fill tank?
I kept a log on all my fill-ups vs miles for over 20 tank full-ups...and from memory I believe is averaged around 31+mpg.That was on a 2015 EX. And probably 1/3 hiway, 1/3 city, and 1/3 country roads.

That car is not here presently-so the actual numbers in my log book and in the car.

I am doing that now. I just reset the trip counter and am going to do as Just Ducky said after 150 miles.

 

I did just get off the phone with my point of sale. Even though they are 93 miles away it would be cheaper as they would waive the diagnostic and even give me a loaner if I need one. The service advisor spoke with his service manager who agreed to wave the diagnostic but he said they can't guarantee the actual MPG of a vehicle based on so many factors. Shenanigans or not?

 

That's a tough one... The mpg is pretty substantially under where it should be so something has to be off. I'm slow to lean towards shenanigans, anything can go wrong that they may or may not know of... If it were my car, I'd change the oil, transmission and rear diff fluids since those are easy DIY and you're looking at a 3-hr drive to dropoff and another 3-hrs to pick up plus any costs... A half or full tank drive to see if the needle even moves would be worth it to me but it's a bit of work to change those fluids.

I'd ask for maintenance records or if they serviced the vehicle for resale. It's only at 17k so not really due but for a 22, I'd say it should have been done based on time and proximity to the service schedule.

I'd just be wary or letting too much time elapse in case you want to see if you can return it or swap for another vehicle. Getting a great deal seems like maybe they know something but I'd tread lightly unless you have high ground to stand on.

 

Just took a couple of screen shots to verify…

 

I don't have a Hybrid, it is Just a 2022 CRV EXL AWD CRT. Does that affect the numbers a little compared to yours?

 

Corn Fusion be gone.

27/32 AWD 1.5T
40/35 AWD 2.0L HEV

27 is much lower than 40
and 32 is about the same as 35

That is my answer to your question:
I don't have a Hybrid, it is Just a 2022 CRV EXL AWD CRT. Does that affect the numbers a little compared to yours?

As you can see, my real world numbers for my driving are about 35.5 Average where the EPA estimate is 38. That is because of a lot of factors but the biggest is that I drive more highway(ish) than city stop n go.

Edit: But thats not important. What is important is why you are only getting 20 mpg. The challenge is to find out why.

So what would drag your mpg down? Its a long list.
Brakes dragging or two foot driving.
Wrong oil.
Bad gas.
Transmission issue
Alignment issue.
Tire issue.
Timing issue.
Injector issue.
Spark plug issue
ECM issue.
Exhaust restriction
Weather issue
Load issue
or (dont take offense)
Driver issue
or any combination of the above

Also consider that concern for fuel economy should logically begin with the judicious use of the Econ mode.

 

Corn Fusion be gone.

27/32 AWD 1.5T
40/35 AWD 2.0L HEV

27 is much lower than 40
and 32 is about the same as 35

That is my answer to your question:
I don't have a Hybrid, it is Just a 2022 CRV EXL AWD CRT. Does that affect the numbers a little compared to yours?

As you can see, my real world numbers for my driving are about 35.5 Average where the EPA estimate is 38. That is because of a lot of factors but the biggest is that I drive more highway(ish) than city stop n go.

Edit: But thats not important. What is important is why you are only getting 20 mpg. The challenge is to find out why.

So what would drag your mpg down? Its a long list.
Brakes dragging or two foot driving.
Wrong oil.
Bad gas.
Transmission issue
Alignment issue.
Tire issue.
Timing issue.
Injector issue.
Spark plug issue
ECM issue.
Weather issue
Load issue
or (dont take offense)
Driver issue
or any combination of the above

Also consider that concern for fuel economy should logically begin with the judicious use of the Econ mode.

Sorry the reason I wrote you had a hybrid is under the second picture you posted it says hybrid touring radiant. I assume that was your own description of your display. Mine is not a hybrid either. Sorry for the confusion. Mine is exactly the same as yours. After speaking with the director of the dealership group that I bought the car from that's a route I'm definitely going to explore. I called Honda Corp tonight and they confirmed that I have a full new car warranty until mid January. So from hearing that the service manager was going to waive the diagnostic fee is not even correct. There should be no diagnostic fee. as far as no guarantee of miles per gallon why would anybody put a sticker on a car window then? I am going to reach out and speak to the service manager himself or herself before I go next Saturday and clear up a few things. As far as driving habits I'm about 70% City and 30% highway driving. City driving about 5 Mi over limit highway 10. I'm 52 so my Speed Demon Days are far behind me so I drive pretty reasonably.

 

What you are reading is not what I wrote. It is my signature block that appears automatically on every post I make. It is what I have. The photos are of my display.

I know what you are talking about and my suggestions are based on your jalopy, not mine.

 

oh okay. Sorry about that. These suggestions you made are appreciated. I just hope that what it is can be covered under warranty and not wear and tear.

 

Here is my trip history for the 1.5t mostly highway with some city.

 

I say fill up the V and drive 100 miles on the highway to see if you fair better.

 

So straight highway driving only? Okay, I will try that if the mpg/actual gallons exercise doesn't pan out.

 

You can compare what you get to what others with the same engine on Fuelly.
I get 3 MPG more with 38lbs pressure in each tire than the ridiculous 32lbs the sticker says.
The ride is harsher, but the MPG are better.

Honda CR-V MPG - Actual MPG from 8,417 Honda CR-V owners

The most accurate Honda CR-V MPG estimates based on real world results of 204.8 million miles driven in 8,417 Honda CR-Vs

www.fuelly.com

The EPA test is for comparison car to car - It is not what you will get - It is if you drive exactly as they test it.

Here is the tests

Detailed Test Information

EPA tests vehicles by running them through a series of driving routines, or schedules, that specify vehicle speed for each point in time during the laboratory tests.

www.fueleconomy.gov

 

Thank you. I did it on fuelly and the lowest it showed was 4 reported a 22 but the largest range was from 26-32 with the most at 29. Even if you don't drive it as they test it if I had gone to purchase it and it said 27/32 and they said however you could get as low as 19/20 I would have simply left. I have owned many cars in my life and this is the first with such a large discrepancy over MPG.

 

I just got back home, tracked my usage and refilled the tank. After the math not based on the display but in actual measurement I got 21.9MPG. Compared to what I am supposed to get too low for me. 27 city/32 highway vs. 21.9 regardless is way too off. I'll admit I started after this and what the service manager said about MPG not being guaranteed I started to look into NYS Lemon Law. I 100% qualify in my case.

I am thinking the best plan is to take it to my local Honda as scheduled for Tuesday as I bought the car used from a Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram dealer. The group manager I bought it from had said if needed they would send it to a Honda dealer if they couldn't work on it. So maybe try Honda directly but I'm kind of not too confident when I told the advisor and he said he wasn't sure what they could do.

I will still call the service manager at the point of purchase on Monday and then plan to take it on Saturday if it's not resolved by my Honda Dealer. I will talk to the dealership group manager about how best to solve this if there is no success. If I have to I will go for a return/exchange.

I'm not sure what else to do. Especially now that I have actual proof versus just the display.

Thoughts of any kind WOULD be appreciated and respected. Thank you to everyone so far.

 

I just got back home, tracked my usage and refilled the tank. After the math not based on the display but in actual measurement I got 21.9MPG. Compared to what I am supposed to get too low for me. 27 city/32 highway vs. 21.9 regardless is way too off. I'll admit I started after this and what the service manager said about MPG not being guaranteed I started to look into NYS Lemon Law. I 100% qualify in my case.

I am thinking the best plan is to take it to my local Honda as scheduled for Tuesday as I bought the car used from a Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram dealer. The group manager I bought it from had said if needed they would send it to a Honda dealer if they couldn't work on it. So maybe try Honda directly but I'm kind of not too confident when I told the advisor and he said he wasn't sure what they could do.

I will still call the service manager at the point of purchase on Monday and then plan to take it on Saturday if it's not resolved by my Honda Dealer. I will talk to the dealership group manager about how best to solve this if there is no success. If I have to I will go for a return/exchange.

I'm not sure what else to do. Especially now that I have actual proof versus just the display.

Thoughts of any kind WOULD be appreciated and respected. Thank you to everyone so far.

It raised my eyebrows that the point of sale is steering you away from thinking 20-22mpg shouldn't be unexpected. That sounds to me like a bad sign. I would expect the opposite from a reputable sale. They should be looking to resolve the issue. I'm also weary of a dealer selling an off brand... Could be fine but if something is awry, Honda may have passed or offered a lower price having more knowledge and accountability for their own vehicle. Not saying they're being dishonest but given the big picture, seems something is not in line

 

All I can say is that you might want to move forward quickly as it is likely the dealership you purchased from will be gone soon.

 

What do you mean by that?

 

I know that the 1st 4-5 miles driven are always way less that those after the engine warns up.
I wonder if your thermostat is stuck open keeping the engine from warming up to normal temps to get the correct MPG.

My 2 Cents.

 

We will hopefully know more soon this week.

 

IME, to maximize fuel economy, the GEN 5 needs to be driven differently. I drive this vehicle unlike any Ive ever owned and it's relatively limiting.

I baby mine, making a strict point to not drive it much over 2K RPMs and only over 3K at dire moments. For that I get mid to upper 20 MPGs in my hilly town and mid to upper 30s (sometimes ever 40 MPG) on our mostly flat and low elevation freeway systems. And that while hauling a work load. I set my CC at 70-72MPH when the freeway is clear of traffic. Just one mile per hour over 71-72 absolutely destroys the fuel economy. It is what it is.

Furthermore, I can never fill my tank with more than 11.5-12 gallons no matter how low the tank is. Ive done the economy math on paper and the figures on the dash are within 1/4
-1/2 MPG consistently.

 

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I would be very happy with those results. It was one thing to go by the dash but to do the math and physically know I am low is what concerns me. What does sit with me the most is the service manager that said MPGs are not guaranteed. If I bought the CRV expecting 27-32 and I thought there was a chance I'd only get 21 I would not have bought it.

 

Heck of a deal going on. So I made the appointment last Friday for this Saturday. I asked if I could get a loaner. I reached out to the director of the 12 dealerships I dealt with and made him aware that I was coming in and that they were giving me a car. We are having some snow due this weekend and I called Monday to see if there was anyway I could come on Weds. I talked to the rental/loaner scheduler and he said they only give loaners for owners of Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram since that is what they sell. So I reached out to the director and he was not happy. Long story but he said I would have a loaner on Friday and if I could pick it up by 10. Yesterday I had a weird feeling about the situation and called and spoke to the scheduler. No loaner on the list. I mentioned the director had reached out personally to your dealership and he said he would check the rental calendar. I was on that one and he said he would move it over. I asked if he worked on Friday and he said he was off. I asked him if I didn't call would have the person on staff know to check the other calendar. Sounds like no. Pissed off after all the issues so far I reached out to the service manager again. He said he had a note on his desk and was fully aware. I asked what time he would be in on Friday as I was to pick it up early. He said after 10 so if he had the note on his desk and it didn't again reach the person on staff pardon my French but WTF.

So I did the 150 mile fill up test/drive and got 21.6. I'm going to do another today as I am going for a useless ride on the thruway and I have to pick up my daughter tonight from out of town. I'll fill up late and do the math again.

 

I would like to suggest that you CC: all of your email correspondence to an FCA rep, such as chris.feuell@stellantis.com, or christopher.pardi@stellantis.com. There are more if you do a search.

 

Was it always like that? Weather and the driver make a difference but that definitely seems low

 

It was like that pretty much as long as I remember.

 

Check your cold air intake hose for cracks. That will cause you gas mileage to drop like that.

 

Taking it in on Friday to dealership.

 

Winter gas can make a 1-2 mpg difference. Do you use fuel system cleaner regularly?

 

Actually I have not used fuel cleaner. I never thought to try that.

 

I have a ‘21 EX-L and in my experience low MPG such as you are experiencing in city/suburban driving is NOT normal. I get close to 27-29 MPG when I’ve done almost all city driving.

I keep ECON mode on all the time. I’m not sure why anyone would turn it off.

I keep idle stop on all the time. I’ve not done a controlled test (that would be really difficult) but in my view it only helps MPG. Plus, it’s the climate-ethical thing to do. (Yes, sometimes it doesn’t engage based on other system factors.)

The only other thing is how you drive. I do no “jack rabbit starts”, I don’t really speed and when safe I do a lot of coasting before breaking for a stop.

I haven’t done any long trips of only highway driving, but from what I’ve experienced so far I’d expect about 35 MPG.

If one dealer can’t find anything wrong I’d get a second opinion.

 

I have a ‘21 EX-L and in my experience low MPG such as you are experiencing in city/suburban driving is NOT normal. I get close to 27-29 MPG when I’ve done almost all city driving.

I keep ECON mode on all the time. I’m not sure why anyone would turn it off.

I keep idle stop on all the time. I’ve not done a controlled test (that would be really difficult) but in my view it only helps MPG. Plus, it’s the climate-ethical thing to do. (Yes, sometimes it doesn’t engage based on other system factors.)

The only other thing is how you drive. I do no “jack rabbit starts”, I don’t really speed and when safe I do a lot of coasting before breaking for a stop.

I haven’t done any long trips of only highway driving, but from what I’ve experienced so far I’d expect about 35 MPG.

If one dealer can’t find anything wrong I’d get a second opinion.

Since it's under factory warranty until the end of January, if the dealership I bought it from can't find anything or their local Honda dealer then I will take it to my local Honda dealer. I called them first but they didn't seem too worried.

 

After reading through this thread it sounds to me like too much fuel is getting into the engine from a bad O2 sensor or a dirty Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor. Have the fuel injectors been checked? They may be clogged up. Or a clogged or damaged catalytic converter. I am by no means a mechanic but I haven't seen any of those being mentioned as a potential solution. Did you ever check the air filter?

 

Did you check your cold air intake hose like I suggested. I lost 9mpg when it cracked.